Rocket ultimate steel
 

Guys, mine friend shoots these heads and I'm tring to make him switch to a different head. These are the one with the bacon skinner blades. Over the last few years he has shot them with 100gr and a 29in beman ics hunter 400 and he gets no penetration at all, but he loves the look.Last year he shot a good buck right behind the shoulder, i was taping him, easily a lung shot and the head wasen't impressive, we lost the deer, very little blood. With his setup he should have no problem shooting thru deer, heck he's pulling back 65lbs. I'm tring to tell him that there are better heads out there. Can anybody help me with advice on these heads , the pro's and con's of these. He loves them because his only deer in 15yrs of archery hunting he shot 2 years ago with them, lost 6 deer with them, I think it's time for him to change but cannot convince him, seak advice, Thanks guys.

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I hate to say it, but if he's lost 6 deer to Rocket Ultimate Steel heads with little to no penetration there's another issue other than the choice of broadhead. I don't particularly care for the blade retention on the Ultimate Steel, but the tip is sharp and the blades are scary sharp. They penetrate well.
How well is his bow tuned?1 deer can be a mistake, 2 deer could be a coincidence.........6 deer is a serious problem and I wouldn't look 1st at the broadhead.[:-]
I'm sorry but I don't buy 6 deer hit perfectly and all 6 lost due to broadhead. It doesn't work that way with ANY head.

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I gotta agree with Matt here.

If he has lost 6 deer the broadhead aint the problem. I suspect that the bow is seriously out of whack and the arrows are not striking the animal straight thus not penetrating. I would give his bow and total set up a serious going over and really tune it to get perfect arrow flight.

While I don't particularly care for the heads either (mainly due to very little thread engagement) they will penetrate right through the biggest animals this continent has to offer and keep on going.

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I'm not asking for you to buy anything?, just some advice on how to convince him on why he should switch heads. As for the deer it true, like it or not. Yes he's got a lot of issues with his bow, that I'm helping him with, but he's stuck with these crappy heads and there are a lot better out there. The Pro's and Con's of this heads are?

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lou-lou, sounds to me like they did answer it. Pros- Good tip, scary sharp blades. Cons- sound to me that you want them to convince "you" the broadheads s#*k! The problemdoes not liewith the broadhead. I shot some last year and the onlyissue "I" had with them was durability. LOL.

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there something wrong my brother used them with good results blew right threw 2 deer no porblem easy blood trail..iam thinking about trying them this year but the 125 grain head..... is his bow tuned well even with the arrow kicking, right behind the shoulder is dinner.how much penatration did he get???? iam sorry something sound[:-]

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Like we said, those broadheads will go through anything that walks this continent with ease provided the arrow is flying true.

This is the entire problem right here.Get all of these problems worked out and he will be just fine.

If he likes the heads then there is no reason he shouldn't shoot them and switching to another broadhead ins't going to solve anything at all. Get his bow tuned like it should be and he will have no problems with penetration with the ultimate steel heads.

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With all the other heads on the market that fly just as good as field points and have a bigger cut than 7/8 of an inch why not shot a bigger head that cuts more and flies the same. This is whatI'm trying to tell him, I feel that he could improve bloodtrails and confidence in his ability to harvest deer. It's like what 5shot said, use the biggest head you can that will fly for you. So why shoot a 7/8 in head when a head with a 1 1/8 like a magnus stinger will fly the same way? Bigger head, bigger hole, more blood.

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Yes there are better heads on the market but what we are trying to get across is that the broadhead is most definetly not the problem he is having with penetration.

If a 7/8ths head isn't penetrating then he has big issues elsewhere. Forget about the broadhead and focus on getting his bow and him shooting the best they can.

Get that fixed then talk to him about broadhead selection. Let him read all of the broadhead posts here.

Here is 5Shots review of the heads.
http://forum.hunting.net/asppg/tm.as...te%2Csteel񑖌

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I would have to agree with the consensus that has been handed down concerning the "issues" your friend has.

That said I do feel there are better heads for the money. Perhaps they have improved the blade retention since I tested them a few years ago. For me the best testament there was to NOT use them was to practice with them. I could break blades off in a foam broadhead target after just a few shots. In my opinion that is unacceptable in a fixed blade head.

So if your buddy favors small heads and wants to stay with them,I would get a number of your friends together and each purchase a package of heads like a Rocky Mountain Ironhead, Turbo, or a NAP Nitron, perhaps a Sonic, or Slick Tricks, etc. and spend a few hours shooting those head to head (no pun intended) against the Ultimate Steel. I have no doubt he will see a difference.

Good luck.:)

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Just got back from my buddies garage where we were shooting at a new block 4x4. He went out and bought a new rest a rip cord and got his arrows refletched. So we started to paper tune in, after 5 minutes we had a bullet hole in the paper. Then we started the walk back method from 5 yards to 30 yards and got his arrows flying great. 1 pin 0-25 yards, not a bad start 4in groups at 30 yards. We were using 100 grain field tips. WE also tried to sight in his broadheads, the rockets flew great but after a dozen shots the broadheads began flying weird, I first thought it was him getting tired, then I noticed the blades were waved on the broadhead a little bit, They were not like that before, How can a broadhead's blades damage shooting into a block target? He didn't hit anything out of the ordinary. So we took a new on out of the package and shot it, it must have been a defect or something, turns out the blades were different sizes, the two on top were the same but the bottom one was smaller, is this common? This was quite a interesting night, I asked to look at his old broadheads he bought last year that he didn't use and he had up stairs, low and behold they too were defective. Two good one and one smaller, he had 3 packs like this , what are the chances of this, 100,000 to one or greater, this could be very well the problem, it just dosen't make sense.

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I tend to agree with Matt as well and further discussion here bears that out. Your most recent shooting of the head seems to verify that there may have been an issue with incorrect blade sizes. If the blades disengaged during impact then that would account for the poor blood trails and somewhat the loss of deer.

I have bought 3 packs of the Ultimate Steels because I am so fond of their expandables. I have not run into this problem nor have I had issue with blade retention though I suspect that was a problem with the initial design and they made modifications not long after people started complaining about it.

I like the Ultimate Steel but if you are looking for other suggestions then the Slick Trick 100s or NAP Nitrons would get my vote.

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I'm trying to get him to switch from ultimate steels to magnus stingers, come on guys help me out, give me some advantages of the magnus opposed to the ultimate steels.

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Other than the fact that in my opinion (which means nothing)it is a higher quality head, a lifetime warranty is about as good as it gets.

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I wish I could help but I have no use for large surface area, cut on contact style broadheads. Good luck in your quest though.

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Whats funny about bacon skinners is100 grains are 7/8 cut and 75 grains are 1 inch cut.I shoot rockets at hogs and they go right through them.I also shoot mini blasters 75 grain mech heads at deer they have a 1 and 3/4 cut.I agree not broadheads fault

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Good news , my friend shot one of my muzzy's and it flew great, he went out and bought some muzzy's 100gr 3 blade. Couldn't believe they flew that good out of his bow. Thanks for all the help.

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You can't go wrong with a tried and true Muzzy. There are many good fixed AND expandables on the market today. The Rocket line is a good head but not as durable as some. The steelheads have given my son several clean kill pass-throughs at 55#. His bow is well tuned. I think your friend will do well with the Muzzys but the Rockets should have been O.K. also.

SF

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Ilosta buck with a 100grn ultimate steel the first week of last years bow season. I guess it was a bad shot on my part, I think it hit a branch but I had very little blood trail. I blame it on the 7/8 cut. They do shoot and penetrate well but I feel if it was a different head, I might have found the buck. That night I put on my Wasp Jack Hammers that I had left from the year before and target shot in the headlights to see where they hit. I killed two bucks and heard both go down. This year I have bought two packs of Magnus Stingers. Hard to beat from what I have read.