Black Mag3
 

Been reading alot of good things about Black Mag 3. Tried a number of times to e-mail the company, but they seem not to much give a S#%T about a individual who may be a future consumer of there product. I tried to find out from them what the shelf life is with there product. I live about 2 1/2 hours from cabelas. so I would have to buy a bunch of it to make the trip worth while. maybe someone here can answear my question.
Thanks.

P.S. ain't to impressed by there customer service

RE: Black Mag3
 

I have been in contact with them and I have had good responses. They may be shut down for the holidays. Try again next week when everyone is back to normal.

Have a safe new years

Eric

PS unfortunitly I can not answer you questions. other then to send you to their web site.

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I have had good response from them in the past so I think the comment about being down for the holidays is probably correct. From what I have been able to find out the shelf life is as long as any of the other synthetics which is very long if you keep the container closed and stored where it does not see a lot of temperature change. I have some clear shot and clean shot that is very old and it works just fine.

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Cruising around at Midsouth looking for a price on BlackMag3 gave me a shock.
After reading MLKeith's posts on it (thanks) I figured it was the "Holy Grail" of powders.....probably so....but, man the price!

$25.+ per pound, that's a lot. Yeah, I know, quality & it works, but ouch!

I know you'd get a lot of loads out of a pound, but the overall cost might hurt a little.
I think I've got two older cans of RS Pyrodex in the cabinet to initially try, or maybe a can of Select later, don't know.
I know I'll try the BlackMag3 sooner or later, but I gotta try and shop that one around.

Bob

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American Pioneer Powder does everything that black mag3 can, and costs $9 bucks less!;)

Been doing the same thing with FFFg American Pioneer Powder(@ $16 a pound per case internet) for 4 years! No fowling-easy clean up-cost effective, can't beat it:)

Please go here to get The Rest Of The Story!

http://www.ngpc.state.ne.us/cgi-bin/...408;p=3#000032

and here:

http://www.ngpc.state.ne.us/cgi-bin/...159;p=1#000001

APP is great, just use the FFFg loose powder!

www.americanpioneerpowder.com

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LN,

Thanks for the good info..........
American PP/FFF sounds like a real winner. Especially where shooting multiple rounds w/o cleaning......wow.....1000rnds w/o cleaning his gun once.
You'd be lucky to get 100 out of other powders.

$16.00 per pound is more like it.

Thanks greatly,
Bob

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Huge fan of Black Mag'3.

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I have been endorsing American Pioneer for a long time... At cabelas it only runs 14 bucks a pound... Why use black Mag? AP is just as clean if not cleaner...

As for shelf life of AP, I have had it's predecessor (Clean Shot) in my basement for two years and took it out this year and it shot just fine...

There are a lot of nay-sayers out there, but don't beleive the hype, AP is as good as anything else and shoots cleaner!

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Can you get American Pioneer shipped without the $20 hazard fee or are you buying it locally???

RE: Black Mag3
 

Tex,

Go on the American Pioneer site and check the "dealer" link for your area.
I did and found that the gunshop up in Attica, NY is carrying it. About a 35 mile round trip for me.

Bob

RE: Black Mag3
 

I prefer BM'3 for the performance characteristics in terms of velocity, cleanliness, ignition and felt recoil. Not price.
The price is higher than everything else at this point.
If cost alone was my highest priority, I would not be using BM'3.
For that matter, I would not have several things that I presently have if cost was primary consideration.

According to BM'3, the BM'3 ignition threshold is in the 3-400 degree range, thus making it a wonderful powder for flint and percussion ML's.
Shot BM'3 in my older T/C hawken perc. last night in 70gr loads. Shoots fantastic! 20 shots and each one with a perfect ignition.

Cleanup is a truly a breeze.

I think that pioneer produces a fine product. I just prefer the Black Mag'3 over anything else.

RE: Black Mag3
 

Black Mag-3 is the "Real Deal"... or-so I've been told by a 100 different users since last fall. Personally, I am a 6-jug" annual blackpowdewr-sub user that's too cheap to pay $28 per Black Mag jug.... lol... besides... look at my screen name to the left<<<.

I encourage all shooters who use their MLs alot less than I do to experiment with BM-3 & provide your feedback right here at Hunting.net.

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You may be correct with fffg American Pioneer. I have only shot the ffg version and it is not as clean as Black Mag3 and is considerably less powerful on a volume to volume basis.

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Has anyone used American Pioneer in an Omega? 777 definately does leave a "crud ring" in my rifle, so I was considering trying Black mag, but you Am Pioneer users got me curious. Not much money to give it a try anyway.

Thanks for the link Bob, found a dealer in my area.

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TxHunter,

You're always welcome.....glad you found a local supplier. I was actually surprised at how many suppliers local to me were listed. Good luck with the stuff.
The only question I had overall was LaneNebraska's advice on 3f instead of the regular 2f rifle. I was going to buy a can of different brands, maybe 1 each, but I think I'll forego that idea and just start out with his suggestion.

Lane,
Are you using the 3f by weight or volume.....(I'm assuming weight due to the finer grain)
Also, what load weight (bullet/sabot & powder) are you using ?

I've cast up several hundred of the Lyman Devastators at 262grs. (as cast) and I'll be loading them in the Harvester's over a starting "weight" of maybe 80 to 90grs of Amer. Pioneer to start.

What's your take ?

Bob

RE: Black Mag3
 

Not sure what Lane is doing, but I think I will start with 85 gr. AP powder BY VOLUME. The only time I feel comfortable using weight is after I have found my load and I want to get each of the loads I use more uniform by weighing them. The values that I start with (85-90 grains by volume) have no relationship with what the loads actually weigh, regardless of the BP substitute I use.

RE: Black Mag3
 

Tx,

What I meant was a 100gr "volume" charge of 2f, would be heavier if you used that same volume to measure 3f as it is finer grained.

I thought that by obtaining the volume to weight ratios,( i.e., 100gr of BP = 72 grs of Pyrodex), would actually give you an exact measure using the 3f.
Maybe starting out using 85grs. by volume of 3f, you might be equalling 100grs. of 2f BP........get me ?

Lane Nebraska is using the stuff, and has been, so I was kind of curious regarding speed & performance.

Bob

RE: Black Mag3
 

Buy the FFF American Pioneer... my Omega loved it until the powder got moisture-driven. I used up-to 120 grains American Pioneer... no crud ring shooting 2-shot spells before swabbing like I've always done with any powder.

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Handgunr: Thanks for clearing that up. Sorry for the confusion. That does make sense

Triple7even: Thanks for the report. I assume you mean that AP is more hydophilic than other powders (I see now where you have posted that in the past). Were the tests you did on Clean shot or AP? Is it the exact same thing, or could they have "tweeked" it? I have never had moisture problems with pyrodex or 777. Any word on Black mag?

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Handgunner

I use FFFg APP by Volume, 100 grains. I recommend FFFg, cause the FFg is too coarse and doesn’t pour or meter out well.

And I've read T7's post on his moisture problem with APP, but I have never experienced this "Phenomenon" in 4 years. Just keep your powder dry!

I had a 3 year old 1/4 can of Cleanshot that had clumped a little. I shook it up and used it on the range this year, shot just the same POI.:)

APP now comes with 2 or 3 silica gel packs inside each container. The only problem I have with the 1 pound plastic bottles is the seal under the lid! It's not re-usable friendly! So I just toss the foam seal, and put some plastic wrap doubled over the opening and screw the lid on over this--Presto 100% positive seal!;)

I've used 12 speed loaders of APP that were loaded last year, and were in my range bag. Took em to the range and they all fired just fine, same POI!!

Just shot 2 more doe tonight with my son's 45cal CVA Kodiak using 225 HP/PB and 80grains APP with CCI primers. The cool part, I'm not worried about rust or in a hurry to clean the gun! I just swabbed it out, 2 wet and 2 dry patches-Finished!

Look guys, just try a pound of FFFg or buy 6-12 pounds and have some buds go in with ya to split up the cost. Ends up being about $16 bucks a pound, not 25-28 bucks like Black Mag3:eek:[:'(]

100grains in my 50cal CVA Maghunter pushing 295HP/PB just destroys deer!

Good fortune with your deer seasons! Everyone have a safe and Happy New Year!!:)

P.S.

I've found 100grains of FFFg APP is about the same as 100grains of Pyrodex pellets.

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BTW

I was blessed this year with access to a Private shooting range--AKA --the sand/clay pit! 40-foot high banks/cliff faces, super safe--man am I excited!

Got my 25,50 and 70yard ranges set-up! Got room for 100 yards but not done yet. I plan on doing some intensive range testing, ammo, sabots, powder, and my personal favorite intrigue: Round Balls in Sabots!!

Let the testing(FUN) begin!:):D;)

RE: Black Mag3
 

Lane, where at in Nebraska do you live? I am close to Ord.

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Bellevue !!

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APP is good stuff and I agree the price is better but the statement that it is cleaner than Black Mag3 is not what I find in my rifle. Black Mag3 makes about 1/2 the residue of APP but both are easy to get around not like the crud ring from 777. BM3 makes higher velocity than equal amount of APP also although that isn't enough to make up the cost difference.

Hey Lane...
 

You really seem to like APP, but I can't get hold of anyone in the company. Can you email at [email protected] and give me some advice.

Paul

APP...must not care
 

Well for several days I've had zero luck in reaching someone at the company of American Pioneer Powder. It seems if I am not Mr. Shockley then I don't matter. Oh well I will have to look elsewhere. I don't know if I want to support a company with piss poor customer service. I have left emails, and voice messages, but to no avail. I know that I can buy from someone via the internet, BUT I wanted to speak to a representative of the company. With my newness in ML I would have been a customer for a very long time. What that equates to is that my children would most likely have grown up on APP powder, but because they refuse to answer the everyday schmoo then they have just lost a very loyal and long term customer. A long term customer who is more than willing to shoot more than just a few pounds, and someone who has the ability to practice all year. As a Marine I believe in practicing with my weapon of choice until I can shoot in my sleep. Long term customer=long term profits.

See ya APP---lets see if Black Mag3 has time to answer my questions.

Paul G. Merioles

RE: APP...must not care
 

I have had real good response from the Black Mag3 people. I think they had a small problem with their email as I didn't get an answer but they called me back so we were able to talk. I am getting a lot of information and have shot a small amount of the powder and if you have any specific questions that I might be able to answer I would be open for them. You can contact me direct at [email protected]. I like APP but I LOVE BM3.

RE: APP...must not care
 

Can you give me a website to the company or phone #? Perfer website if possible.

Paul

RE: Black Mag3
 

Website for Black Mag3 www.magkor.com email: [email protected] address:Magkor Industries Inc 3859 Wekiva Springs Road Suite #26 Longwood, Florida 32779. So far the web site information has been proving to be as advertised in my rifle. You might call me a big fan of Black Mag3.

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