ML Omega shopping tommorow?
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mrlizzard, I also replied to the crud ring post.
I was not aware that you were experiencing mis-fires as a result of the primer itself not firing.
Could be you have a bad batch of primers.
Try a different MFG Winchester, Remington, etc..
If still misfiring primers;
Firing pin engagement/alignment/issue here.
Potentially dangerous situation - as whenever a misfire coccurs we change our position from pointing it at an intended target while handling the weapon to inspect the misfire. During this moment the weapon can discharge resulting in an accident or firing the weapon in a non-intended direction.
You should not have to switch primers to find one that your weapon will fire.
If possible, return the weapon to your point of purchase for an exchange.
Or Call CVA.
Don't hunt with this weapon if still misfiring.
Best,
I was not aware that you were experiencing mis-fires as a result of the primer itself not firing.
Could be you have a bad batch of primers.
Try a different MFG Winchester, Remington, etc..
If still misfiring primers;
Firing pin engagement/alignment/issue here.
Potentially dangerous situation - as whenever a misfire coccurs we change our position from pointing it at an intended target while handling the weapon to inspect the misfire. During this moment the weapon can discharge resulting in an accident or firing the weapon in a non-intended direction.
You should not have to switch primers to find one that your weapon will fire.
If possible, return the weapon to your point of purchase for an exchange.
Or Call CVA.
Don't hunt with this weapon if still misfiring.
Best,
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CVA said it may be a problem but to switch primers which I will I may lube it some but it happend brand new with just primers also.Gander said they would look at it and exchange it if I wanted.CVA said whatever I wanted to do would be fine.When it did shoot I grouped 8" at 100yds off hand in the cold I was shaking,so I'm ok with it.Load is 100gr.T7 and 245HP's.
Heres how I'm shooting it,3 shots dry swab couple patches,shoot 3 more dry swab again.Come home dry swab then add cleaner to swab clean it good to the breach and clean breeech plug,lightly oil and put Gorilla on the breech threads.Is that satisfactory? I know for end of season what I must do but I just want to do so
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Heres how I'm shooting it,3 shots dry swab couple patches,shoot 3 more dry swab again.Come home dry swab then add cleaner to swab clean it good to the breach and clean breeech plug,lightly oil and put Gorilla on the breech threads.Is that satisfactory? I know for end of season what I must do but I just want to do so
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#13
After thinking more about it I'd have Gander Mountain exchange the weapon versus buying more primers or trying to lube the trigger-firing pin.
In the field or at the range...
I always spit patch, flip that patch and run it again.
Then alcohol patch.
Then dry patch.
Result is a really clean and dry bore which is what you want for sabots.
I also always detail clean after firing my weapons including barrel flushing and wire brushing. There is more about that in the post "Barrel Cleaning and Flushing"
IMHO
Best,
In the field or at the range...
I always spit patch, flip that patch and run it again.
Then alcohol patch.
Then dry patch.
Result is a really clean and dry bore which is what you want for sabots.
I also always detail clean after firing my weapons including barrel flushing and wire brushing. There is more about that in the post "Barrel Cleaning and Flushing"
IMHO
Best,
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mrlizzzard,
Hello.....new here....
Following a great Christmas, I received a Kodiak as well and I thought I'd pass along some limited findings with it, as well as past experience with CCI's and their tech's.
I did a lot of research regarding the Kodiak after I had got it for Xmas, and I found that CVA had encountered a lot of trouble in the past with barrel construction from the Spanish Manufacturer's. I guess, from what I had read, they were claiming "Magnum" status, but weren't proof tested to such pressures.
I quit hunting blackpowder several years back and now that I'm returning to it using an inline, it's pretty much a newer realm.
Basically CVA/BPI copied the TC Omega with the Kodiak and sell it under those names, as well as Winchester. I liked the Kodiak, but I had previous experience with CVA's that was so-so and I decided to do a little homework.
My wife, who bought the gun for me for Xmas, said that if I didn't like it, I could exchange it for what I wanted. I decided to review the data on the Kodiak, and the TC Omega.
Being that the Kodiak was a copy, and that I was very familiar with TC products and quality, after several hours of research I decided to exchange to the Omega.
Not that I doubt that the Kodiak wouldn't be a good option for the money, it's just a few phobia's based on what I've heard & experienced with CVA.
Besides, the write ups on the Omega from regarding accuracy were MOA capable on a consistant basis.
That's just me, and nothing against the Kodiak per se'.
Regarding the primer misfires;
I've had several bad experiences regarding CCI's over the years, and although I used to use them exclusively (and still would if I could), I had to quit them due to misfire problems.
Mainly the problems arose regarding handgun load work, i.e., TC Contender, Encore & various Revovlers.
I do a considerable amount of load development and bullet casting/fabricating, and have been at it for the last 35yrs. I just couldn't afford the chance of a problem here.
But being bothered by the problems, I contacted CCI's Tech. Dept. and spoke with them about the problem. They admitted that it could be a problem with lighter hammer strikes due to their tolerances. He explained that primer manufacturer's have an accepted cup thickness range that they all use. He advised that CCI forms their cups on the upper limits of this range, therefore they are thicker and because of that, harder to fire, even slightly so.
Once struck, usually the priming compound crumbles into the case/or powder charge and won't fire on a second hit. Sometimes it does if the compound hasn't been disturbed.
Knowing that the Kodiak/Omega have small hammers & shorter throws, I'm sure this is the problem.
A switch to Winchesters will clean that issue up for you I think.
I thought about using some Triple 7, and although I've read that Pyrodex pellets, although not as hot, provide better consistency due to their black powder acceleration coatings, I guess I'll have to try them both.
Black Mag is new to me and it's nice to read positive reports on it from this site! Gotta try a can as well, if I can find it.
Sorry so long winded........1st time.
Take care,
Bob
Hello.....new here....
Following a great Christmas, I received a Kodiak as well and I thought I'd pass along some limited findings with it, as well as past experience with CCI's and their tech's.
I did a lot of research regarding the Kodiak after I had got it for Xmas, and I found that CVA had encountered a lot of trouble in the past with barrel construction from the Spanish Manufacturer's. I guess, from what I had read, they were claiming "Magnum" status, but weren't proof tested to such pressures.
I quit hunting blackpowder several years back and now that I'm returning to it using an inline, it's pretty much a newer realm.
Basically CVA/BPI copied the TC Omega with the Kodiak and sell it under those names, as well as Winchester. I liked the Kodiak, but I had previous experience with CVA's that was so-so and I decided to do a little homework.
My wife, who bought the gun for me for Xmas, said that if I didn't like it, I could exchange it for what I wanted. I decided to review the data on the Kodiak, and the TC Omega.
Being that the Kodiak was a copy, and that I was very familiar with TC products and quality, after several hours of research I decided to exchange to the Omega.
Not that I doubt that the Kodiak wouldn't be a good option for the money, it's just a few phobia's based on what I've heard & experienced with CVA.
Besides, the write ups on the Omega from regarding accuracy were MOA capable on a consistant basis.
That's just me, and nothing against the Kodiak per se'.
Regarding the primer misfires;
I've had several bad experiences regarding CCI's over the years, and although I used to use them exclusively (and still would if I could), I had to quit them due to misfire problems.
Mainly the problems arose regarding handgun load work, i.e., TC Contender, Encore & various Revovlers.
I do a considerable amount of load development and bullet casting/fabricating, and have been at it for the last 35yrs. I just couldn't afford the chance of a problem here.
But being bothered by the problems, I contacted CCI's Tech. Dept. and spoke with them about the problem. They admitted that it could be a problem with lighter hammer strikes due to their tolerances. He explained that primer manufacturer's have an accepted cup thickness range that they all use. He advised that CCI forms their cups on the upper limits of this range, therefore they are thicker and because of that, harder to fire, even slightly so.
Once struck, usually the priming compound crumbles into the case/or powder charge and won't fire on a second hit. Sometimes it does if the compound hasn't been disturbed.
Knowing that the Kodiak/Omega have small hammers & shorter throws, I'm sure this is the problem.
A switch to Winchesters will clean that issue up for you I think.
I thought about using some Triple 7, and although I've read that Pyrodex pellets, although not as hot, provide better consistency due to their black powder acceleration coatings, I guess I'll have to try them both.
Black Mag is new to me and it's nice to read positive reports on it from this site! Gotta try a can as well, if I can find it.
Sorry so long winded........1st time.
Take care,
Bob
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Hi gunr,
I am gonna keep my Kodiak,after going to Win. primers I'm back in love.I doubt if I'll be shooting magnum loads as I use T7 100gr. pellets.I am aware of the quality of T/C Omega but this rifle costs 2 times what the Kodiak costs.I got a good scope and am shooting 4"groups at 100yds offhand.I also have a four day muzzle season and I hunt in some rough stuff.I will switch to Black Magic when I find some and the Harvesters are in my future.
I read lotsa posts in forums and people do complain about the tightness of the Omega's and some find them hard to load.There is no question about T/C being superior but for my needs and the ease of cleaning I'm keepin the spaniard.
all the best,
lizzzard
I am gonna keep my Kodiak,after going to Win. primers I'm back in love.I doubt if I'll be shooting magnum loads as I use T7 100gr. pellets.I am aware of the quality of T/C Omega but this rifle costs 2 times what the Kodiak costs.I got a good scope and am shooting 4"groups at 100yds offhand.I also have a four day muzzle season and I hunt in some rough stuff.I will switch to Black Magic when I find some and the Harvesters are in my future.
I read lotsa posts in forums and people do complain about the tightness of the Omega's and some find them hard to load.There is no question about T/C being superior but for my needs and the ease of cleaning I'm keepin the spaniard.
all the best,
lizzzard
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lizzard,
I guess were pretty much on the the same page of music there. My Kodiak cost $269 from WallyWorld (where my wife works), and the Omega in SS/Hardwoods synth cost $389 internet (best price I could find).
If I were to buy the basic blue on black Omega, it probably would've been a difference of only a few bucks.
A couple of cans of BM3 will be my next search........
Let me know how the accuracy pans out.....
Take care,
Bob
I guess were pretty much on the the same page of music there. My Kodiak cost $269 from WallyWorld (where my wife works), and the Omega in SS/Hardwoods synth cost $389 internet (best price I could find).
If I were to buy the basic blue on black Omega, it probably would've been a difference of only a few bucks.
A couple of cans of BM3 will be my next search........
Let me know how the accuracy pans out.....
Take care,
Bob
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lizzard,
I wasn't too much against the Kodiak as I thought (and still do) that it's a nice gun for the money. I even questioned, for a moment or two, whether I really needed to spend the extra money for the Omega, and just settle with what I already had.
Even after ordering it, but before it got here, I still had reservations.........that is until it arrived about 30 mins ago (thanks UPS) and I got to handle it.......great feel factor!
Believe me....considering the sights, trigger pull, and the fit & finish of the overall gun, even down to the regular swivel studs instead of the integral ones on the Kodiak, I have no regrets at all.
For what it's worth, in my particular situation or opinion, the extra money was well spent.
I guess "Triple Seven" was correct regarding this one.
I'm not poo-pooing your decision lizzard, just enthusiastic over my choice and passing it along from one "inline greenhorn" to another.
Happy Shootin'
Bob
I wasn't too much against the Kodiak as I thought (and still do) that it's a nice gun for the money. I even questioned, for a moment or two, whether I really needed to spend the extra money for the Omega, and just settle with what I already had.
Even after ordering it, but before it got here, I still had reservations.........that is until it arrived about 30 mins ago (thanks UPS) and I got to handle it.......great feel factor!
Believe me....considering the sights, trigger pull, and the fit & finish of the overall gun, even down to the regular swivel studs instead of the integral ones on the Kodiak, I have no regrets at all.
For what it's worth, in my particular situation or opinion, the extra money was well spent.
I guess "Triple Seven" was correct regarding this one.
I'm not poo-pooing your decision lizzard, just enthusiastic over my choice and passing it along from one "inline greenhorn" to another.
Happy Shootin'
Bob
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gunr,
Looks like a beauty,I'm envious.I've cleaned mine tonight and put it to bed,seasons over,no venison.Getting the xbow ready again.Good luck with the big O stay in touch.
lizzzard
Looks like a beauty,I'm envious.I've cleaned mine tonight and put it to bed,seasons over,no venison.Getting the xbow ready again.Good luck with the big O stay in touch.
lizzzard


