I just picked one up today.I would like to get your feedback what do you guys like/dislike about this gun?

Thanks

I have one, and it is a great shooting rifle. The only thing I would be careful of is the breech wrench that comes with the rifle. It is not the best thing in the world. Get a 9" extension arm (it will reach past your scope that way) for your socket set and a 7/16th socket and it will take that breech plug and 209 nipple out real nice. If you're not running a scope get a Black Diamond Deluxe Breech Plug wrench.

Also watch the breech plug for seizing. I always turn it a little after 5 shots. That is the only thing that enclosed wrench is good for.

Mine will shoot almost anything I shove down it. You want some real accuracy shoot a T/C 250 grain Shockwave. Start at 100 grains of Pyrodex RS and work up from there. Mine smoothed out around 110 grains.

It also shoots 320 grain LEE R.E.A.L. conicals with 100 grains of Pyrodex RS very well.

you have a great shooting rifle there...,...

Trapper

You really should do your 'Black Diamond/Any New Muzzleloader" homework before you buy it. So many posters get upset when negative feedback occurs about a gun they purchased the day before. Fortunately, you bought a good one. Did you buy the 26" XR camo stock one at Bass Pro for $199?? That's been the best deal going around for the past few months.

Thanks guys, ya I kind of don't like that breech wrench[:'(] I'll get the regular style(scope is illegal in WA) I'll take your advice on the breeech siezing too...thanx Cay.


Triple, I did a little reseach, my guy who does my FFL stuff for my NWTF guns is a pretty sharp tack on guns, I talked with him a few times and no I got the black one he had, and probably paid more than I could 've getting it from somewhere else but this guys has done so much for our Chapter I felt no problem giving sometihing back to him.

I was eyeing a CVA but man I do hear some bad things about them? And the Tradtions I got my Dad left a sour taste in my mouth by using Tru-Glo sights, which broke the first time we touched a wrench to them[:'(][:@]

One other question you guys may know, in regards to priming, when still hunting since it's an(open bolt) style do you have to wait until the game is in the sights before priming or can you close the bolt over the cap? I really don't like the idea of a closed bolt of that style over a cap but I'm just throwing that out there. I'll go the safer route anyways. Just curious.

Thanks again

Being the gun has a 209 Primer system ignition, you can cap it, leave the breech open with the safety on and get a breech cover. It goes over the open breech and keeps the water out. Or you can like me, cover it with Handi Wrap and keep the water out. A little handi wrap on the end of the barrel will keep water out of there. You can shoot with the handi wrap on the gun. At the range sometime take some and try it. If you have time and can, just pull the chunk that cover the breech off. The same with the bought breech cover, you undo the velcro strap and it hangs off the gun to the side.



this is why I shoot shockwaves.

My Black Diamond XR is a good shooter also. So far it prefers the 250 gr. Shockwave sabots the best using T7 loose. The main thing I don't like about it is the mess it leaves all over the scope and bases and the breech area in general. Oh well, I guess that is the price you pay for an open breech M/L! Otherwise, it's a very good gun for the money.

HEy I'll take a group like that

Thanks again, I'll be buggin' yall from time to time while I'm getting up to snuff on these guns.

Cay, I'll try and remember the handi wrap, does the 209 secure itself better than a musket cap?I can't use the 209 either in this state, they are trying to keep these inlines as primitive as possible, for we get a more choice season and more time.It's a trade off for using primitive weapons. And also we can't use anything that wouldn't allow the breech to remain open.

I figure that #11's and musket caps seem to fall off the nipple pretty easy so I'd think it won't be wise to run around with one on the nipple while your hiking and such. Guess I'll just have to get quick on that old quick loader?

I wonder how many chances I'll blow for pulling a trigger on a unprimed charge?[:-]

On my Knight Wolverine II LK-93 it is a #11 cap ignition. I have capped it and walked all over the range and set the gun down in various positions and never had a problem with the cap backing off. On the other hand right before I shoot I take my thumb and push the back of the cap to make sure it is well seated. If the caps feel loose like they are sliding, then lightly just squeeze the back of them together a little, not until they are deformed but just to change their shape a little. Many times that it all it will take to hold them onto a nipple good and tight. I have done this for years with my sidelocks when I hunt with them.

On my CVA Staghorn I shoot musket caps and I have noticed they are more prone to sliding off. Although again, I take my thumb to them and have not really had a problem.

The 209's once their on, their on. If they are falling out check and make sure the wire band that goes around the 209 nipple is not broken. Usally you have to use the decapper or a good strong thumb nail to get them to back out.

One advantage of shooting #11 caps and musket caps is you get less crud in the breech. Also some people report a crud build up with Triple Se7en and 209 primers. I think it is because they are using too hot a primer and too much powder. When I shoot the Staghorn with the musket caps I have not really noticed a "crud" build up. Besides when you swab you are taking that fowling for the most part out of the barrel.

I have been shooting Goex out of my rifle for the past month and really like it. The rifle seems to shoot real good with Goex FFFg and fowling is really not all that big an issue.

Good luck with your rifle your going to like it.

What I did to my scope to help protect it was after making sure it was very clean and free of any black powder crud, I wiped it down with denatured alcohol. After I was sure it was dry, I took black plastic electrical tape and started covering all parts of the scope except the adjustment nob and the magnifacation dial (and the lens of course )

After I shoot you can take a wash cloth and that black powder crud will wipe right off that plastic tape. When the tape starts to look worn, remove it, wipe the scope down and put a new layer on. The last wrapping has lasted over two months, and I SHOOT A LOT!!

Good info, thanks, hey here's another one.

Which do you perfer between #11s and musket caps? I've only shot #11s before but the fire chamber on the muskets looks quite a bit larger, do they ignite a lot easier than #11?