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super_hunt54 02-10-2017 02:24 PM

Ron, I have a pretty good guess as to why you were shooting low. Your grip angle as well as you rear elbow angle is different with that stock. Has it been a long/longer time since you shot with a thumbhole stock? They do make a difference in your support structure. And with your practice of late being with a non thumbhole stock, you are holding your body differently at the time of the trigger depression, making your shots pull low because your timing is goofed. That rifle may just be a tad slower on firing as well which could make you shoot low. You may not want to shoot your hunting rifles that much, but the fact is, THAT is the tool you will be out there with so it is THAT tool which you should be gaining the deepest relationship with.

Edit to add: Nice looking rifle BTW!!

Muley Hunter 02-10-2017 02:57 PM

It might not be a good idea to practice with a gun that's so different from your hunting gun.

ronlaughlin 02-10-2017 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 4293840)
So, offhand you're shooting lower than the gun is sighted in for?

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Sheridan 02-10-2017 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by super_hunt54 (Post 4293778)
And what makes you so sure others can't Sheridan? Judging from your post," How many of you "think" you can do better than that (standing free hand) ??

Go a head and post your targets here !!!", you don't think many, if any, could. I don't think I could do much better anymore. But back 10 or so years ago my off hand groups at 100 matched and sometimes even exceeded Pete's target. And I know a LOT of guys that can do it as well.

Ron is doing quite a bit better than when he started this little journey of his. But there is certainly room for improvement. He is certainly doing well enough for hunting purposes. I'm just happy the man wants to IMPROVE his skills rather than sitting back on his laurels. Just not enough folks out there take the time to measure their skills and willing enough to improve on them.

Super,

If you can, than you can - Right ?! :hail:

Sheridan 02-10-2017 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 4293796)
You're the one who put up the challenge. I never said a thing about what others can do. I'm sure there are those that can shoot much better. Just keep in mind all I was doing was sighting in the gun. I wasn't shooting for score.

Pete,

No challenge, just a question .......................... ? :wave:

Sheridan 02-10-2017 05:43 PM

I am totally supportive (LOL) of anyone who wants to shoot unsupported !

Did I say something to the CONTRARY ??

super_hunt54 02-10-2017 06:02 PM

*Gives high credits for the pun*!!!

Semisane 02-10-2017 06:38 PM

Do unsupported shooters really need more support? It seems to me supported shooters are the ones most often unsupported. As for me, I like to be supported but can handle being unsupported fairly well.

Muley Hunter 02-11-2017 05:34 AM

My hernia needs a lot of support.

Jack Ryan 02-11-2017 01:14 PM

OK, I'll throw my hat in the ring. It really wasn't as bad as I though it might be.

First I shot a couple from the bench, rested, @ 65 yards to confirm the rifle zero. That's my standard yard stick here in Jackland since it's where my bench is. On the nutz I moved on to the first standing shot I've taken seriously in a while. This is big to reference the target lay out for later. I don't use the fancy paper targets rich folk have got.

First 5 shots standing, using a loop sling, 223 AR, 3x9 scope, 75yds.
No sighter shots after 2 confirming shots from the bench.


Right away I think I've diagnosed low shots from a rifle with a confirmed zero. It's a lack of follow through. Probably most, may be not, but it's my biggest challenge I've identified right away. It's exactly like shooting a bow. Follow through = good shots. Dropping your arm on the shot = a sure low shot.


Don't laugh at my scale lines. I marked those using a tree branch. It's a 12"x12" piece of AR500 steel.


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