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been wanting a new mz for a while just could not justify 800 plus for the knight disc that I really wanted. ran across cva pr3112s clearance@ 325 and change so grabbed up one of the last ones they had. hoping I wont be disappointed never owned anything but knights

I'm sure nobody knows what a pr3112s is, so I looked it for everybody.

It's an Accura V2 camo.

Congrats! My son's is a great shooter, your's should be too.

Although some here don't like the CVAs I've found that they shoot more than good enough for any normal hunting situation. Not only the Accuras but the Optimas and Wolfs as well.

If they don't like CVA's, then they haven't owned one.
I've been building them and shooting them for 45 years.
The majority of my front-loaders are CVA.
I've got Traditions, Remington, even Gonic and the CVA's keep up with them all.
Customer support is stellar. 770-449-4687
I dig CVA.

accura v2 finally arrived very nice looking everything fits well
now for scope and dnz mounts then the big test how it shoots.
hoping will shoots pellets and 250 grain sst as that's what my vision likes and I have plenty on hand

I have a stainless Optima V2 that I use the 250 grain SST in, it shoots them well. I use two 60 grain T7 pellets for deer. I have been very happy with the Optima, it is simple, shoots well and fits me well.

Huntin NC - do yourself a favor. Once you exhaust your supply of those pellets get yourself some loose powder. Pyrodex RS is a good choice and if you want a cleaner burning powder get some Black MZ or Blackhorn 209.
And if you want to save some more money shooting buy your bullets and sabots separately. I've had excellent success with 300 gr .429" and .451" Hornady XTPs and Harvester CR sabots (green or black depending on the bullet diameter).
Another great bullet is the Barnes EZ bullet. A bit more costly and really more than necessary.

You are wrong there
I owned 4. Don't own any now and never will again. I think they suck and are crappy junk and my experience with customer service is the main reason I hate cvas

Interesting..., my experience with customer service has been outstanding, quick responses to my questions and free parts to my door with no questions asked. Possibly, it may have been the way you talked/wrote them, similar to your post:hit:

I too have had good experiences with CVA Customer Service but I have only contacted them a few times. They were courteous and helpful.

Who do you think is better? TC? Knight? You better not say yes to those two.

Pete,
You know I like my MR. I just bought a 45-70 CVA scout to convert smokeless. I like the MR better then the Triumph to be honest. But that by know means, means the CVA is a better quality gun. CVA is not at the quality T/C and Knights are. But they have made tremendous progress no doubt.

I'm just talking about customer service Tom.

Here's a question for you, Pete and Jenks, doesn't the fact that you have had to USE the customer service line for CVA so many times speak to the quality of the product itself? I've been a Marlin owner for over 50 years. Had to call customer service exactly once in those 50 years for an ejector spring gone bad (pre internet). Been a TC owner for over 25 years. Had to use their customer service exactly once for a broken hammer spur (and it was MY fault). Was a CVA owner for exactly 4 months, had to use their customer service line exactly 3 times!! Bad hammer spring, broken trigger mechanism, another bad hammer spring. Kinda speaks for itself there doesn't it?

excellent rifles! Some expect a $3000 rifle out of a $400 gun, and you know how that goes. Every single cva i've owned shot excellent and held up for years of my abuse. Can't get a much better gun IMO, unless you go custom and still shoot the same groups.

Where in this thread did I mention using CVA CS? The truth is I only used it once. I had bought one of the early Accura MR's with the coating that flaked off. They took the gun back and sent me an MR with the Nitride treatment.

I've used TC's CS 3-4 times and never got satisfaction. To be fair it was after S&W owned them. Knight was a joke when I tried to use them. After trying 6-7 times I only got through once and the woman who answered the phone was clueless.

It doesn't matter how many times you have to use a CS. You want satisfaction even if it's only once. I've called CVA many times to answer questions I had. Not a problem, but a curiosity question. I always got through right away and they answered the question politely.

You may think CVA has problems, but CS isn't one of them.

The best customer service to me was T/C. I honestly never needed to use Knights customer service. I've never used CVA'S yet either. I'm talking anything important!!

TC was the best when TC owned it. Maybe they've gotten better lately, but they were bad when S&W took over.

Just like Marlin was when Remington took over. They're not bad now.

Yes, TC's CS was horrendous right after the takeover from what I have heard. And their products suffered for a bit as well. For a good while it was dang near a crap shoot whether or not you got a decent shooting barrel. From all I have seen though, they finally righted the ship and people are starting to get the old quality they always got from TC in the years past. Pretty much the identical story with Marlin as well. Though their reasons for quality drop was because of old worn out machinery and tooling and quality was suffering even before the takeover.

I'm not sure why everyone gets bent out of shape when someone tells there opinion on whatever. 1874sharpshooter did have some serious problems with them awhile back. I remember him posting about it. And like he said, he won't buy another CVA cause of the support. That's his true opinion, and he can buy what he wants!!

Are you getting bent out of shape? :)

At my wife😉

Sh54 I don't believe that for one minute. That was Remington's excuse. Marlin was still turning out quality rifles. My cousin was looking at a couple 1895 Guide Guns recently made by "Remlin" and cut the back of his fingers on the lever. The edges of the lever were that sharp. They never bothered to deburr/polish them. He told me the quality was no where near what mine was. ONe thing I don't like about my Guide Gun is that idiotic cross bolt safety. I know the reason behind it. But I never use mine. I'm even thinking about having it removed and replaced with a "dummy" button.
As for CVA CS I never had any problems with my rifles. But I did call them for information and got some advice on my Accura's fining pin bushing and they sent me bunch of O-rings at no charge. A cheap item but still.....

I never asked for o-rings, but they sent me shims for free everytime I asked.

Thats what I asked for too Pete. But when I called they didn't have any available and sent me the O-rings.
I really think they are reluctant to send the shim kits. They told me the only reason they had them is that early in production there was a machining program error and some of the bushing holes were machined too deep by a couple thousands.

Wasn't just Rem's excuse Clem. It was an absolute fact. The last 2 years or so of Marlins productions before Rem buyout turned out some pretty crappy rifles. I looked at 3 or 4 when I heard about the buyout on the horizon and saw for myself the poor quality in comparison to their better days. I'm not saying ALL their rifles were shoddy, but they turned out an exceptionally higher number of poorly crafted rifles for 2-3 years prior to the buyout.

And I too can't STAND that crossbolt safety. Dang near missed out on an exceptional Buck because I forgot about the damn thing being on. Pulled the hammer, pulled the trigger, and nothing. Took me a second to even remember the damn thing was there much less that I had stupidly engaged it earlier. It's on, or rather WAS on one of my .444's. I used this to replace it. http://www.leverguns.com/articles/ta...olt_safety.htm works great but was a bit of a pain in the rear getting it in. Like the instructional on the site says, it would be better if I'd had 3 hands :D Wife's little hands were a fantastic addition to my tool set :D

You should have asked why the shim kit includes two 0.002" shim, not just one, and a 0.005" shim, and two 0.010" shim, and a 0.020" shim. They don't seem reluctant to send shim kits today, seven dollars is all it takes.













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i've owned several new CVA guns. Never had any problem with a CVA gun.


TC quality control tanked long before they were bought out. TC could not even get their flagship gun, the Encore, right. That gun had/has so many problems that a another company has a booming business fixing problems with Encores.

That cross bolt safety cost me a deer. The first year I used my 45-70 guide gun on the first day of doe season I was in my tree stand with my grandson when a really big doe came buy and stopped at about 25 yards directly in front of my stand. I had my rifle on half cock and put the safety on for good measure because it was there. I raised my rifle and had a perfect sight picture on the crease behind the shoulder, squeezed the trigger and instead of a bang, I heard a clang when the hammer fell onto the cross bolt, I had forgotten the safety was on. To say I was mad at myself for putting the darn thing on would be an under statement. Fortunately about 10 minutes later that doe's twin sister came walking buy, I got the cross hairs behind her shoulder and swung with her and when she was between two trees I squeezed off the shot and she went down. I have not used the safety since on that gun. On all my other guns the safety prevents you from pulling the trigger and I used them religiously.

Bellm TCs?

Yes Mike's business has been good over the years but it's not because of poor craftsmanship on TC's part. It is absolutely impossible to get perfect head spacing on the encore platform. You can get close on tolerances but you can NOT get dead on between all barrels and all frames. It is a mechanical impossibility. Nature of the beast and so forth. Mike's system is a shimming system to make up for that in barrel switches. And an over sized pin for when there is slight differences in the hanger. Again, nature of the beast. The other stuff he sells is IMPROVEMENTS just like so many other makers make to customize every other factory rifle maker out there. But you keep right on advertising for CVA Falcon..You know, the company that has had more lawsuits brought against it for safety concerns as well as infringement suits than ALL the other rifle makers combined!!

Sounds like Remington 😆 7 million strong,and recalling...

I have owned tc encores and cva apex and only have an encore frame now but the Apex does not have to have all the stuff done to it like the Encore. If one did it was certainly the exception and not the rule. Not saying they are perfect but not as bad as the encore. While i would agree that things like the trigger kit for the encore is an "improvement" thing, thats not really telling the whole story, like 10 pound crappy triggers that shouldnt ever left the factory. I had one of those and it was horrible. The Encore i have now which is an older one isnt that bad.

But, the apex is discontinued now and the encore is not and has a ton of aftermarket for it which I like. In the end though, ive seen crap put out by both companies. Lol.

Look fella, i'm not "advertising" for any damn one. Let someone dare disagree with you and you throw out accusations. This ain't the politics forum.


Simply telling it like it is. TC peddles the Encore as a switch barrel gun. My new muzzleloader Encore and it's five new center fire barrels were the sorriest pieces of trash i ever encountered. The frame of that gun was welded up and re-machined in the machine shop my son managed. Now it is a passable switch barrel gun.


Three of the barrels i bought were total trash. The headspace in two of those barrels was so excessive they would not fire factory ammunition.



Yep, for some reason they also sell more guns than all other muzzleloader companies combined.

Wasn't accusing Falcon, was stating a solid fact. Anytime anyone has something to say about CVA, you and Devil boy always pop in vaulting CVA and trashing TC. And you do know that CVA SELLS those shim kits for their rifles that do the EXACT same thing that Mikes does right? Why do you think they sell them?? BECAUSE THEY ARE NEEDED!! That is the inherent design flaw in ALL switch barrel platforms! There is no way you could machine head space tolerances to match all production barrels to all production frames! Well you could but the cost would be astronomical! You can get close enough for most people to be happy and they will work fine.

As far as your NEW TC platform goes, just how "new" is it? Because S&W really put out some seriously crappy barrels for a good while. I bought most all my barrels pre S&W and a few of them are on par grouping wise as some of my custom barrels! My .50 ML barrel will group MOA at 150 yards. Granted that was after I cut that QLA crap off it and put on a 11* crown. Every CF barrel I own for it will group well under MOA at 100. Basically, when I pull the trigger, it goes boom and I hit what I am aiming at. Can't ask for anything better.

I shot my best group ever with a T/C Encore. I owned a bunch of them but never switched Barrels. The Triumph is a much better option for strictly a ML by far in my opinion. The problem with people today is, they think what they own is the best. And that doesn't really help the industry at all. All ML companies need to make some improvements. I own a lot of different brands of muzzleloader and I can find lagitimate things wrong. But when people praise them, nothing will change. The ultimate ML is a good example. No improvements over the years, and old school thinking. One of the worst muzzleloaders to own today. But an easy ML to update, but you gotta have the right people to do it. The accuracy is already there, the rest is simple with the right people. CVA has done very well, and they got a lot of room to make better. But I don't think they will. I think they want to keep things at a low cost and sale volume. Not a bad way to think, and I think the new guns are a lot safer. But that's just my opinion. Knight wants to sale quality and not volume. The problem they have is, they have no one to maintain the quality. That's an easy fix, but who knows what they will do. I know there customer service gets pretty beat up online. Glad I haven't needed to deal with that. But I mostly shoot Disc Elites which are pretty darn simple.

Bought that Encore in 2006. That makes it a pre-S&W gun. BTW: The gun had other problems.


1. Ramrod thimbles were loose. The screw holes were not deep enough.


2. The locking springs were weak and were replaced with Bellms springs.


3. The hammer spring was weak. It would fire a 209 primer OK but not a center fire round. A gunsmith was on the range when i installed the .30-06 barrel. He said: "You will probably have a misfire". Bellms again.


4. There was severe side to side movement of the barrels in the frame even with the oversize hinge pin. That required welding and machining.


Of all the things that can go wrong with an Encore; it did have a good trigger pull from the factory.

SH 54, I only contacted CVA Customer Service a couple of times. Once to order a new firing pin spring--mine had some rust on it so I thought I might need a spare. They sent one for free.

Another time I contacted them to order some of those little plugs that you screw into the iron sight holes after you take off the iron sights. If I remember right, they sent them free also.

I bought this CVA Optima V2 used at a pawn shop. It had not been properly cleaned(why do they do that???) but was stainless and cleaned up OK. It is more accurate then I am, if I needed another blackpowder rifle I would buy another CVA.

SH.........The shims fix a minor problem that CVA had for awhile. How do you fix all the TC's that won't shoot conicals? Cut off the QLA? That's not an easy fix and then you don't have a QLA. CVA can build a barrel to shoot conicals and that's with a QLA.

I can give you other examples, but that one should show you who can build a better gun. Even if you are too biased to see it.