Breech plug question
01-31-2016, 07:39 AM
#41
Nontypical Buck
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Are you sure? My Omega will not go into battery if the breech plug is only backed out 1/4 turn. My Omega puts a slight 'crush' on W209 primer, when the breech plug is totally tight.
Just another unsung advantage of using Blackhorn powder....Even if the threads are totally gunked up with burnt debris, when shooting Blackhorn, the breech plug is still readily removable.
Just another unsung advantage of using Blackhorn powder....Even if the threads are totally gunked up with burnt debris, when shooting Blackhorn, the breech plug is still readily removable.
01-31-2016, 07:58 AM
#42
Boone & Crockett
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You know that episode of yours really does elude me... can not understand why BH would stick yours but shooting T7 pellets does not... I know you and Ken have discussed this and there is a reason but....
01-31-2016, 08:10 AM
#43
Giant Nontypical
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Are you sure? My Omega will not go into battery if the breech plug is only backed out 1/4 turn. My Omega puts a slight 'crush' on W209 primer, when the breech plug is totally tight.
Just another unsung advantage of using Blackhorn powder....Even if the threads are totally gunked up with burnt debris, when shooting Blackhorn, the breech plug is still readily removable.
Just another unsung advantage of using Blackhorn powder....Even if the threads are totally gunked up with burnt debris, when shooting Blackhorn, the breech plug is still readily removable.
01-31-2016, 08:55 AM
#44
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Ken has the opinion that it is somehow related to the nitro involved in BH. Initially he did have it listed in the rifle manuals as an approved propellant but,,,,, breech plugs immediately started needing replacement when the rifles were knowingly shot with BH, so he stopped approving it. My manual actually has it crossed out.
It kind of amazes me too. Western has told me repeatedly that you can't stuff enough BH into a UF rifle or the RU to hurt either.
01-31-2016, 01:30 PM
#45
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Actually both will cause it to stick. I'm going to start a process of testing soon...
Ken has the opinion that it is somehow related to the nitro involved in BH. Initially he did have it listed in the rifle manuals as an approved propellant but,,,,, breech plugs immediately started needing replacement when the rifles were knowingly shot with BH, so he stopped approving it. My manual actually has it crossed out.
It kind of amazes me too. Western has told me repeatedly that you can't stuff enough BH into a UF rifle or the RU to hurt either.
Ken has the opinion that it is somehow related to the nitro involved in BH. Initially he did have it listed in the rifle manuals as an approved propellant but,,,,, breech plugs immediately started needing replacement when the rifles were knowingly shot with BH, so he stopped approving it. My manual actually has it crossed out.
It kind of amazes me too. Western has told me repeatedly that you can't stuff enough BH into a UF rifle or the RU to hurt either.
From this I also gather that the rifle is not OK'ed for real smokeless powder loads? But I thought it required a FFL?
01-31-2016, 01:41 PM
#46
Nontypical Buck
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Which rifle Sabot? It has to be because the action can easily be converted to a cartridge rifle. Sorta like the TC Encore type being able to hang a CF on the action. I was also under the impression that some smokeless rated MLers were being made 4473 needed because of the smokeless rating but have been told that it is because of the action itself not the barrel.
01-31-2016, 01:59 PM
#47
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The UF or RU are NOT approved for smokeless propellant.
The breech plug will come out, you have to start out that way.
01-31-2016, 02:00 PM
#48
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Which rifle Sabot? It has to be because the action can easily be converted to a cartridge rifle. Sorta like the TC Encore type being able to hang a CF on the action. I was also under the impression that some smokeless rated MLers were being made 4473 needed because of the smokeless rating but have been told that it is because of the action itself not the barrel.
01-31-2016, 05:19 PM
#49
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Are you sure? My Omega will not go into battery if the breech plug is only backed out 1/4 turn. My Omega puts a slight 'crush' on W209 primer, when the breech plug is totally tight.
Just another unsung advantage of using Blackhorn powder....Even if the threads are totally gunked up with burnt debris, when shooting Blackhorn, the breech plug is still readily removable.
Just another unsung advantage of using Blackhorn powder....Even if the threads are totally gunked up with burnt debris, when shooting Blackhorn, the breech plug is still readily removable.
My primers used back then were the old Remington 410 primers. I still have several hundred of those left.
That was the only powder that seized my breechplugs. Never had any seizures using Pyrodex, American Pioneer, Goex/Schuetzen or Blackhorn.
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01-31-2016, 05:37 PM
#50
Nontypical Buck
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My concern is, myself, i cannot back the plug out even a 1/4 turn, and have the action of the Omega close, and be ready to fire. It won't close, and work, unless the plug is tight. The possibility that backing the plug out 1/2 turn, allows you to shoot the rifle, seems impossible.