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Gm54-120 01-14-2016 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Grouse45 (Post 4239388)
Looks like a high BC bullet, but doesn't look like it would be good on game unless you went for bone. Looks like it would pencil like a Barnes would at BP speeds.

If i had the funds and still had a strong desire to shoot sabots, i would like one in 220gr, larger HP and a polytip from their Raptor line of bullets.

I don't have a CAD program though or the software to estimate stability or BC. Having them design it increases the cost untl R&D has been paid. Another option is...can the Lehigh 215 CF be made from copper instead of brass. In copper it should be very close to 220gr. :D

Grouse45 01-14-2016 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by Gm54-120 (Post 4239461)
If i had the funds and still had a strong desire to shoot sabots, i would like one in 220gr, larger HP and a polytip from their Raptor line of bullets.

Can you get me one of these bullets? I could possibly get Lehigh to make them in copper.

Gm54-120 01-14-2016 06:46 AM

The CEB 240gr ML bullet is copper. Many of their other bullets are brass though.

Can you ask Lehigh for an estimated weight of the 215 CF made in copper? That might be the ticket without a ton of additional R&D costs.

Grouse45 01-14-2016 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by Gm54-120 (Post 4239464)
The CEB 240gr ML bullet is copper. Many of their other bullets are brass though.

Can you ask Lehigh for an estimated weight of the 215 CF made in copper? That might be the ticket without a ton of additional R&D costs.

Ok, sounds good

super_hunt54 01-14-2016 10:28 AM

GM, I'm no metal engineer but I'm thinking that Dave used the brass for control in opening. Copper being softer would probably require a lot of rethinking on the slits and such for the controlled fracturing. Correct me if I'm wrong on that assumption as my metallurgy knowledge is geared more to steels than heavy metals.

Gm54-120 01-14-2016 10:30 AM

Lehigh currently sells some CF and Maximum Expansion bullets in copper. http://www.lehighdefense.com/collect...led-fracturing


super_hunt54 01-14-2016 10:31 AM

Yes but not THAT particular profile. As I said, I'm thinking he used brass for it's strength for a more controlled opening.

Gm54-120 01-14-2016 10:39 AM

Well that is what i would like to find out. How well a 215gr CF would work in copper and how much it would weigh in copper. Lehigh also makes a Max Expansion 308 in copper.

Im not locked into the fracturing requirement. Expansion is fine with me also. My FPS window is huge. I can shoot them pretty much as fast as i want or as slow as a 10mm carbine. Ive shot a 225gr Barnes so fast it kinda fractures and the energy dump was impressive. The recovered bullet still weighed around 200gr.

Grouse45 01-14-2016 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by super_hunt54 (Post 4239522)
Yes but not THAT particular profile. As I said, I'm thinking he used brass for it's strength for a more controlled opening.

I believe your correct, but he's working on improving this line of bullet now anyways in Muzzleloaders.

chaded 01-14-2016 01:27 PM

The 200 grain bloodline performs great. Something with that performance but just a little more weight and B.C. Would be great. Even though the 200 grain works just fine for what I do.


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