Are they a better gun???
01-09-2016, 05:39 AM
#23
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Clifton, VA
Posts: 1,101
I'm sure you know some manufacturers are pretty generous with their stated barrel lengths, some not counting any QLA, some measuring past the breech area. Usable barrel length can be pretty subjective but I would consider it from forward of the breech plug to the muzzle, then subtracting any QLA.
01-09-2016, 05:52 AM
#24
Fork Horn
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Southeast Michigan
Posts: 195
Hopefully he doesn't - not from squeezing the trigger anyways.
I have the opinion that if I don't like a certain manufacturer for what ever reasons (hello Traditions), then I just avoid them in nearby stores and views in online stores like Buds, like the Bubonic Plague.
None of us should be conducting strength tests on ML manufacturers. Even Wakeman didn't do that.
I have the opinion that if I don't like a certain manufacturer for what ever reasons (hello Traditions), then I just avoid them in nearby stores and views in online stores like Buds, like the Bubonic Plague.
None of us should be conducting strength tests on ML manufacturers. Even Wakeman didn't do that.
01-09-2016, 07:15 AM
#26
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,585
I was told by someone who toured the factories that there was no sign of any inspectors or of a quality control in the CVA factory they visited. When ask about it they were told each piece worker inspected what they did. Any body that has worked in quality control knows what to think about that.
Any good machine shop should have a Rockwell or Brinell
BHN=2F pi D [D={D squared -d squared}
BHN = Brinell Hardness Number (N/mm2)
F = applied force (Newton or N)
D = diameter of indenter (mm)
d = diameter of indentation (mm)
There are charts for different alloys such as stainless.
Also should magnaflux and use sonar to check for laminations and such other defects.
Back in the 80's I believe the was a major problem with defective steel in CVA barrels if I remember correctly the co. changed hands after that.
I was on the firing line shooting competition when one of their barrels split I have never considered buying one since.
Any good machine shop should have a Rockwell or Brinell
BHN=2F pi D [D={D squared -d squared}
BHN = Brinell Hardness Number (N/mm2)
F = applied force (Newton or N)
D = diameter of indenter (mm)
d = diameter of indentation (mm)
There are charts for different alloys such as stainless.
Also should magnaflux and use sonar to check for laminations and such other defects.
Back in the 80's I believe the was a major problem with defective steel in CVA barrels if I remember correctly the co. changed hands after that.
I was on the firing line shooting competition when one of their barrels split I have never considered buying one since.
01-09-2016, 11:57 AM
#28
Nontypical Buck
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Saxonburg Pa
Posts: 3,925
You need to relax. Supplying information to in the field/range results is not brand bashing. If Lee would of said the same thing about a T/C you would of never said a word. The plan it's to start testing next week!!
01-09-2016, 02:21 PM
#29
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
Who's not relaxed? I really don't care about any of the guns you're testing.
The CVA bashing gets old though.
"I was told by someone who toured the factories that there was no sign of any inspectors...."
Cmon!
The CVA bashing gets old though.
"I was told by someone who toured the factories that there was no sign of any inspectors...."
Cmon!
01-09-2016, 02:38 PM
#30
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,695
Pete, it's common knowledge that most Spanish gun manufacturers have lax quality control for barrels intended for the US. Thats not from Randy either but just a simple statement of fact. It has become a bit better yes but they still are nowhere near as stringent as US based barrel makers when it comes to steel quality. That my friend is not brand bashing but a simple matter of fact that is easily found. I have done a ton of research over the past several months to maybe get me a .45 barrel cut for my TC and have since came across MANY articles referring to the poor quality control of barrels coming into the US from Spain. It seems Pedersoli and Uberti are top tier and the rest seem to get away with very little oversite on the barrels meant for outbound shipping.