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Originally Posted by sabotloader
(Post 4237301)
And I think you really mentioned the true key... Factory installed BP`s installed in the new CVA`s do not come with the added insurance that you mention. So why doesn`t CVA supply the beter plug with the rifle - OR - offer it s an option choice when you purchase the rifle?
The stock BP is only a problem with BH 209. The stock BP works fine in cold weather for all other powders, and pellets. You have to remember when it was designed BH 209 hadn't been invented yet. Keep in mind that when BH 209 first came out it wasn't accepted by a lot of groups. Colorado wanted to ban it in the muzzy season, but never actually did. Some other states did ban it at first. So why would CVA care whether their gun shot it or not at first? Their gun worked perfect for all other powders. Finally, as BH 209 got more popular they gave in, and offered a BH 209 specific BP. They call is a loose powder BP, but we all know it's just for BH 209, since the stock BP works fine with other loose powders. |
Originally Posted by Muley Hunter
(Post 4237306)
The stock BP is only a problem with BH 209. The stock BP works fine in cold weather for all other powders, and pellets. You have to remember when it was designed BH 209 hadn't been invented yet......
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Originally Posted by sabotloader
(Post 4237299)
This not neccesarily true if the breech plug is built correctly. I know that is what Western would have you believe this because this is what needs to happen in poorly designed BP`s. A decent example of this is the TC Triumph QR plug. It is abnormally long and will ignite BH very + reduce blow back pressure on the nose of the spent primer. I have modified several BP`s and installed the Vent Liner on the very end. Not only do they shoot BH but they also reduce blow back pressure.
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 4237270)
I fully paid you for that breech plug, I even remember having to use a couple bucks with of quarters as I didnt have it in full cash. Let me remind you, that I even had to send that first one BACK because the threads were all smashed up.
When your breech plug came back i threaded it right into my old Accura without any problem, so it is obvious the threads were not all 'smashed'. In the end i was tickled that you sent the plug back. It couldn't be sold, because it was used, so it sat around here for quite a long time. One day a fella contacted me about issues his son was having not being able to rely on his original breech plug. His son was competing in a muzzle loader contest in scouts, and was having trouble with Blackhorn ignition. So, i offered him your old plug for free, and he figured it was worth a try. Well, as it turned out, the 'no good plug' worked perfectly, and the boy won the contest, and then went on and won the next contest, and then the final. Made me kinda proud, it did. |
yes and even then it was drill it out the western powders recommended flash hole of .035" and then I started messing with shimming out the firing pin bushing to take up the slop. Personally, Sealing the primer blow back was where the real issue is.
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Ron.......No, it wasn't. Maybe it was being tested by guys like Toby, but it wasn't released to the public.
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Originally Posted by muzzlestuffer
(Post 4237312)
i hear all sides on the issue and what works works and i don't criticise anyone for using what works for them and i'm sure as you say that it will work fine but wouldn't you think that having the powder charge all the way down on top of the primer would be a faster ignition time even if it's only a millisecond not sure if that would equate to a more accurate shot ??
Keep in mind there's more pellet users than loose powder users. Not BH 209 users, but all loose powder users. If you were a gun maker. Who would you cater to? |
Originally Posted by ronlaughlin
(Post 4237313)
Wife gets all the breech plug monies. She say you never sent money for the breech plug. This is how i know for sure you never paid for it.
When your breech plug came back i threaded it right into my old Accura without any problem, so it is obvious the threads were not all 'smashed'. In the end i was tickled that you sent the plug back. It couldn't be sold, because it was used, so it sat around here for quite a long time. One day a fella contacted me about issues his son was having not being able to rely on his original breech plug. His son was competing in a muzzle loader contest in scouts, and was having trouble with Blackhorn ignition. So, i offered him your old plug for free, and he figured it was worth a try. Well, as it turned out, the 'no good plug' worked perfectly, and the boy won the contest, and then went on and won the next contest, and then the final. Made me kinda proud, it did. Theres no denying it ron. The plugs threads were trash and something you find in the bulk bolt bin at the store when they crash around into each other.    |
Originally Posted by Muley Hunter
(Post 4237292)
I told you all the finger tight BP's were the same in CVA's. They never changed them from first coming out with them until today's models.
MR, V2, Optima, and Wolf are all the same over the years after they change from the BP that need a wrench to remove/install. |
Originally Posted by Muley Hunter
(Post 4237316)
There's another way to look at it. If you have a pocket in the BP for powder to go into to get closer to the flame hole. What happens when you use a pellet? now you have a large air gap from the flame hole, and pellet.
Keep in mind there's more pellet users than loose powder users. Not BH 209 users, but all loose powder users. If you were a gun maker. Who would you cater to? |
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