nitride metal treatment
 

fyi i just had my white .410 super 91 barreled action and all the metal parts treated and man they really look great anybody else have theres done. haven't shot it or been in the field yet so not sure how durable it is but the guy's that did it say's it's super tough ! it was a little pricey at 250 bucks but that's for everything including scope bases and every metal part and all the screws.

Too bad more manufacturers don't use on their guns besides CVA.

Not nitride but my white thunderbolt got black iced.who did the finish

And LHR's Redemption which is now the T/C Strike.

I wonder what critical components are included. They imply its more than just the barrel.

I don't know about the nitride finish yet...but I have two muzzleloaders that are black iced an sent off my 870 Remington .12ga. to be treated. The shotgun was black iced outside and all of the internal moving parts of the action.

Great durable finish!! Not as expensive as above either...

Im a big fan of BlackIce. Several friends had it done and it looks awesome. Im hoping to get my 54-120 barrel done next year. My bolt is jeweled so im going to leave it alone until i can get one of the newer Lehigh made bolts.

i have another super safari i built that i had black iced and i love the look pretty much the same as the nitride finish but the black ice has not been durable i already have some wear on the bolt area after only maybe 50 shots they said the nitride is as hard or harder than chrome ? yet to be seen i will try to figure out how to post some pics. i had h&m metal processing in akron ohio do it they were great to deal with and they got it done in a week ! all the parts are perfect!!

410 White is a mighty fine gun , now you made it even better . Post some pics of it so we can see her .

I'm guessing the breech plug and primer adapter at the least. I'm not sure about the receiver, but if it is some alloy other than steel, it's probably not. I know the nitrided CVA rifles are just the barrel and breech plug, and possibly the firing pin bushing. The receiver definitely is not and is a black coated non steel alloy. The nitriding process appears to be ideal for muzzleloaders because it covers the inside of the barrel, as well as the outside, and since it is not a coating, doesn't add anything to the inside surface of the barrel. Nitrided stainless steel should be as good as it gets.

The reason i know the breech plugs are not nitride, is because i have drilled and tapped them, with standard high speed tooling, without any issues. The black colored CVA plugs cut just like the shiny plugs.

Since CVA sells a nitride BH 209 breech plug, I incorrectly assumed the black stock breech plug that came with the nitride rifles was also nitride treated. My bad. Have you ever tried to machine a nitride breech plug? I am curious about how much harder they actually are?

Since a lot of tooling bits and such that are nitride coated last about 3 times longer than their non-coated counterparts then I would guess it's about 3 times harder to mill/cut anything nitride coated. Now, if you are using a nitride coated bit then I would have to imagine it would still be harder than an non-coated plug, it wouldn't be 3 times harder though.

ok here are some pic's i hope ?

trying for this one not sure why won't go thru finally went thru !

I just put a new Optima V2 in the safe and will have another QRBP for you to drill out for me, next year. That BP looks like its just painted black to match the receiver. I do like the looks of the nitride barrel so far.

Beautiful ! Makes me envious . Really nice for sure

here's my .504 super safari forgot to mention black ice finish

thanks for the compliment !!

thinking about having stock camo dipped like my .504 but i'm liking the all black look !

Is that your home?... with that island kitchen seating and white padded chair. Looks like a nice place you have there.

CVA doesn't sell a Nitride breech plug. It's just coated black.

They don't put the Nitride on the breech plug, because the threads would be too hard for the threads in the barrel. That's what they told me.

Beautiful rifles, looks like they did an awesome job! I really like the way they look :D

I wonder if the coatings are more for us than the rifles? What I mean...they look sweet when coated, and while they obviously they add a substantial protection factor....does a quality rifle actually "need" a coating for protection? I would say that in the vast majority of cases, No. I have alot of rifles, many that are old and have been used quite a bit. I've never had one that needed to be coated to be protected....basic care and cleaning has always done just fine... Center-fire or ML.

Not a put down on the coatings at all. And for ML rifles, I can see how it may actually be a great thing - considering how many people are lazy or stupid when it comes to cleaning their guns. It might save some guns that would have been toast in a hurry. I wonder how that Nitrade coating holds up to BP fouling.

Muley, do a field test and let us know :D :D

I don't have any inlines anymore. Hopefully, I can just stay with a traditional setup this time.

I agree that i'm not sure if rifles need these coatings/treatments. I've never had a problem with good old bluing/browning.

Yes my house thanks !

[QUOTE=WV Hunter;4232288]Beautiful rifles, looks like they did an awesome job! I really like the way they look :D

I wonder if the coatings are more for us than the rifles? What I mean...they look sweet when coated, and while they obviously they add a substantial protection factor....does a quality rifle actually "need" a coating for protection? I would say that in the vast majority of cases, No. I have alot of rifles, many that are old and have been used quite a bit. I've never had one that needed to be coated to be protected....basic care and cleaning has always done just fine... Center-fire or ML.

Not a put down on the coatings at all. And for ML rifles, I can see how it may actually be a great thing - considering how many people are lazy or stupid when it comes to cleaning their guns. It might save some guns that would have been toast in a hurry. I wonder how that Nitrade coating holds up to BP fouling.

Muley, do a field test and let us

Well I didn't need it on my .504 because I owned that rifle since new so it was in perfect condition I did that just for the looks but the .410 I got from somebody else and it had some rust on the outside only so after I restocked it to a safari and hunted this season with it I decided to have it nitride treated now I will take care of it properly and it will last for years !

Was the that the .410 you got from me ??? I could have sworn it was new and i dont remember any rust on it at all .

yeah that's the one i got from you remember somebody tried to glass bed the original stock and put that one piece scope base on it. yeah it had some very light surface rust on it. i thought you got that from some guy in new york ??

yes thats correct . I got a bunch of Whites from him . Most were never fired . Then again i bought one gun from a guy on here that was suppose to be new, never fired and it came with a pitted barrel . I remember the odd scope base on that one dont know why anybody would do that .
Same guy that put scope bases on the one you did for me and they were pretty much permanently on there . Were was the rust ??? I guess i didnt see it ir i never would have sent that for sure

That one wasnt black iced?? For some reason i was thinking it was . I must be losing it . The other .410 i got from him is new and when i took it apart the rear lug is broke .

I sure would like to have one of those CVA Accura MR with the Nitride Finish. I have been waiting to see if the Nitride had any of the flaking issues that the Previous CVA MR Muzzleloaders had. It seems they have resolved all of those issues from what I have gathered.

Problem is I don't need another Muzzleloader at the moment. I have been going back and updating my Optics on the ones I do have and its a handful just getting everything re zeroed.

The beauty of BlackIce and possibly nitride on the exterior is easy clean up and no oil is needed. Pretty much anything just wipes off of BlackIce with a damp cloth. The flat black is very attractive IMO. Its a great way to tone down a SS finish. Its available in tan and a olive green too.

For those thinking I'd recommend black ice

well your going to hate me because i just ordered one of the v2/lr combo kits from midway 579.00 i just had to have one!!

do you have either one ?

yeah the color options are nice i almost did my .504 in green !!

It's impossible to flake off. It's a metal treatment, not a coating. The black is just an effect of the treatment.

If I understand the process correctly, it's a molecular bonding not a coating. But I'm no chemist, just an old fart with half a brain :D

I hate to brag, really I do...but I can't help it this time. I ordered what was listed as an Accura V2 nitride/package including konus scope and cloth gun case from Amazon. Got the gun yesterday, but it turned out to be a Optima V2 nitride/package, scope, and case. I called Amazon on it an turns out they never had the Accura all along. Merry Christmas to me!!:)

Gonna take her to the range tomorrow along with the Optima V2 pistol to see how she does.

Be careful with that scope. It doesn't have a lot of eye relief.

Thanks! 3 inches, I saw that too and will do!!