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California
Originally Posted by falcon
(Post 4227153)
1. The EPA is prohibited from regulating "cartridges and shells" by the Toxic Substances Act.
2. The EPA has long stated that it has no authority to regulate lead bullets. 3. Federal appeals courts have twice ruled that the EPA has no authority to regulate lead bullets. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...-lead-bullets/ California is getting away with it somehow. Also, I would not put it past Hillary to direct the EPA to break the law, and let the courts decide in several years. In the meantime, everyone who wanted to hunt would drift over to lead-free bullets, so it would be a moot point. Remember, laws are only effective if they're enforced. What the NSA is doing appears to be a 4th amendment violation, and has been ruled unconstitutional by the courts, but nothing has happened. A lot of this stuff isn't about the war on terror, or the environment, or whatever; more likely the motivator is having a good reason to scream for increased funding for your department. Bureaucracies tend to work like that. Oldbob |
California is getting away with it somehow. |
i have used .50 and .54 caliber patched round balls to kill deer and hogs. No animal i ever shot with patched round ball ever got away wounded. Ditto for other hunters i know who use patched round ball.
If you don't like patched round ball, simply don't use patched round ball. Don't jump on a muzzleloader forums and preach against the use of patched round ball. The muzzleloader community has this "expert" named Toby Bridges who went on a crusade against the use of patched round ball on game animals. Years ago Byronic hero type Toby Bridges tried to get the states to outlaw the use of patched round balls based on a flawed requirement of a minimum foot pounds of energy. Toby got dropped by two sponsors for his rants. |
And, years ago, Toby used round balls and traditional rifles for game...
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Originally Posted by OldBob47
(Post 4227156)
Uh, yeah, I thought that's what I said. Not that I'm a revolutionary war buff, exactly. If you are, then certainly you are familiar with the fact that many of the guns on both sides of the conflict were smootbores, which required a PRB. The switchover to rifled arms freed them from that limitation. The primary advantage of a weapon is range. Thus, the Continental Army's rifle-equipped soldiers (mostly the snipers) had a decided advantage over the British Army's standard Brown Bess, with its effective range of maybe 75 yards. This had nothing to do with the lock. A smoothbore caplock would fair no better than a flintlock musket.
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She's a Clinton.
Originally Posted by falcon
(Post 4227182)
States are allowed to outlaw lead bullets. The federal government can't do that.
OldBob |
Like a roundball?
Originally Posted by falcon
(Post 4227185)
i have used .50 and .54 caliber patched round balls to kill deer and hogs. No animal i ever shot with patched round ball ever got away wounded. Ditto for other hunters i know who use patched round ball.
If you don't like patched round ball, simply don't use patched round ball. Don't jump on a muzzleloader forums and preach against the use of patched round ball. The muzzleloader community has this "expert" named Toby Bridges who went on a crusade against the use of patched round ball on game animals. Years ago Byronic hero type Toby Bridges tried to get the states to outlaw the use of patched round balls based on a flawed requirement of a minimum foot pounds of energy. Toby got dropped by two sponsors for his rants. Its not that I don't "like" the roundball. I just started my line of inquiry because I had no idea why anyone would use such a relic from the days of smoothbores, given the poor ballistics. I know little of Toby Bridges, but attempted regulation of behavior by economic coercion is not new, and it neither proves nor disproves the validity of his position. OldBob |
Until he found something better.
Originally Posted by nchawkeye
(Post 4227189)
And, years ago, Toby used round balls and traditional rifles for game...
But let me revisit the traditional vs. inline situation. If you take two rifles, same caliber, same barrell length, and the same twist, and shoot identical loads out of them, the two rifles will perform identically. The conditions are repeatable; the science of ballistics says they can't anything but perform identically. What platform you choose to launch them is personal preference. OldBob |
Ah, history!
Originally Posted by nchawkeye
(Post 4227190)
Read up on Kings Mountain and the Battle of Cowpens...You might learn something.... ;)
I will do that. And may I recommend that you read about the actions of Sgt. Timothy Murphy at the Second Battle of Saratoga on October 7, 1777? OldBob |
More than one way . . .
Originally Posted by falcon
(Post 4227182)
States are allowed to outlaw lead bullets. The federal government can't do that.
What the federal government could do, and has done before, is hold up federal funding to a state until they come into compliance with the federal governments "advisory" on a particular initiative. We give money to the federal government, and they give it back, unless witholding the funds serves another purpose. OldBob |
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