Help with my muzzleloader
09-16-2015 | 06:38 AM
#12
Nontypical Buck
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Call T/C and tell them you suspect your sights are not the correct ones. They have dealt with similar calls many times in the past. They will either send you a different set, or ask that you ship the ML to them.
09-16-2015 | 06:42 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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I would suggest trying a heavier projectile. ANY 245gr 50cal bullet is a poor choice for anything larger than a coyote.
Federal has a new 350gr lead bullet.
https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/feder...350-grain.html
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/353...ain-pack-of-15
I dont like Powerbelts but you might try a heavier one like
338gr Platinum Aerotip http://www.midwayusa.com/product/242...ProductFinding
348gr Aerotip http://www.midwayusa.com/product/242...ProductFinding
I would also suggest trying a lead conical. You might get lucky and have a T/C that will shoot a typical lead conical. These may seem heavy but you don't need a 100 gr load. 70-90gr is usually plenty for big lead.
http://www.muzzleloading-bullets.com...es/Page319.htm
Another option are Thor copper conicals but they will require a sizing pack to know which size fits your barrel.
https://www.thorbullets.com/
Federal has a new 350gr lead bullet.
https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/feder...350-grain.html
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/353...ain-pack-of-15
I dont like Powerbelts but you might try a heavier one like
338gr Platinum Aerotip http://www.midwayusa.com/product/242...ProductFinding
348gr Aerotip http://www.midwayusa.com/product/242...ProductFinding
I would also suggest trying a lead conical. You might get lucky and have a T/C that will shoot a typical lead conical. These may seem heavy but you don't need a 100 gr load. 70-90gr is usually plenty for big lead.
http://www.muzzleloading-bullets.com...es/Page319.htm
Another option are Thor copper conicals but they will require a sizing pack to know which size fits your barrel.
https://www.thorbullets.com/
09-16-2015 | 08:10 AM
#14
Nontypical Buck
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Guys, let me get this correct in my head here. He is ONLY using 100gr T7. He is 4 inches high at 50 and 12 inches or more at 100. And you guys think that he has a sight problem? For him to be STILL on an upward rise at 100 yards with that load tells me his point of aim (angle) is pretty darn high. If he has any shooting experience at all he could barrel sight and see that. Something just isn't right with this story. Think about the trajectory of that load for a second. For it to be an actual sight problem those sites would have to be so far off it's ridiculous. It's been a while since I was able to see well enough for opens but my memory aint THAT bad. Something doesn't smell right. He either isn't shooting on a vertical plane or his load is way heavier than stated. For that bullet to be on the rise from his stated powder load is pretty evident that his firing trajectory is pretty steep.
09-16-2015 | 08:24 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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Superhunt
We are here to help fix the 50 yard, before moving over to the 100 yard.
If the thread-starter is 4" high at 50 and out of sight adjustment room, then that's why I suggested he call T/C for another set of front and rear sights.
Something is wrong with his sights at 50 yards, for no more adjustment room exists. His concern at 100 yards should be dealt with later. But odds are, if he gets the 50 yard issue fixed, the 100 yard issue won't be so outlandish.
We are here to help fix the 50 yard, before moving over to the 100 yard.
If the thread-starter is 4" high at 50 and out of sight adjustment room, then that's why I suggested he call T/C for another set of front and rear sights.
Something is wrong with his sights at 50 yards, for no more adjustment room exists. His concern at 100 yards should be dealt with later. But odds are, if he gets the 50 yard issue fixed, the 100 yard issue won't be so outlandish.
09-16-2015 | 09:23 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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Guys, let me get this correct in my head here. He is ONLY using 100gr T7. He is 4 inches high at 50 and 12 inches or more at 100. And you guys think that he has a sight problem? For him to be STILL on an upward rise at 100 yards with that load tells me his point of aim (angle) is pretty darn high. If he has any shooting experience at all he could barrel sight and see that. Something just isn't right with this story. Think about the trajectory of that load for a second. For it to be an actual sight problem those sites would have to be so far off it's ridiculous. It's been a while since I was able to see well enough for opens but my memory aint THAT bad. Something doesn't smell right. He either isn't shooting on a vertical plane or his load is way heavier than stated. For that bullet to be on the rise from his stated powder load is pretty evident that his firing trajectory is pretty steep.
Normally if he is 4 inches high at 50 we would expect the point of impact to be close to 5 or 6 inches high at 100 or something close to that.
I don't know what is happening but do you think there is a possibility that he is getting enough muzzle jump to put the bullet above the target? I'm just guessing here.
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09-16-2015 | 11:13 AM
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Fork Horn
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If I am reading this correctly, you gun is grouping to your satisfaction. Therefore, you are consistent and it is simply a matter of bring the group on target and therefore accurate. I will not get into a Powerbelt discussion here as that was not your question.
I think we need to get on the same page as a forum. TXHUNTER says raise the front sight, while LEMOYNE says shave it down. My thought process is that the bullets travel in a parabolic path crossing your line of sight twice. In this case, the bullt has already crossed the line of sight prior to 50 yards (4" high) and continues upward at 100 yards. It obviously has to decend and re-cross the sight plane at some distance, which is unknown at this time. The solution to me would be to bring the line of sight more inline with the bullets parabolic path. In a crude sketch, it would seem that raising the front sight would bring your line of sight more inline with the trajectory.
All of my rifles are scoped, so I could be off base. The iron sight experts here will offer great advice.
I think we need to get on the same page as a forum. TXHUNTER says raise the front sight, while LEMOYNE says shave it down. My thought process is that the bullets travel in a parabolic path crossing your line of sight twice. In this case, the bullt has already crossed the line of sight prior to 50 yards (4" high) and continues upward at 100 yards. It obviously has to decend and re-cross the sight plane at some distance, which is unknown at this time. The solution to me would be to bring the line of sight more inline with the bullets parabolic path. In a crude sketch, it would seem that raising the front sight would bring your line of sight more inline with the trajectory.
All of my rifles are scoped, so I could be off base. The iron sight experts here will offer great advice.
I've had it happen to me with a scoped rifle during initial sight in. 30 yds going to 100 yds. POI rose several inches at 100. Researched the net as to why and came across the line of sight intersecting the bullets path at two different places
Please excuse the crudity of this model, I didn't have time to paint it or build it to scale......also my bullet arc is going up, bullet leaves barrel starts to arc down, I think
Can happen with a scope, why not iron sights, I would raise that rear sight up a lot and see what happens
09-16-2015 | 12:05 PM
#18
Nontypical Buck
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Exactly, my point was he is STARTING on an entirely too steep initial trajectory. For his sights to be THAT far off his front sight would have to be REALLY high. Of course all this conjecture is based off his assumption that he is hitting approximately 12 inches high at 100 and only 4 inches high at 50. That is a LOT of rise for that load.
09-16-2015 | 01:39 PM
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Spike
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I am baffled by it also.
Unless it really is too light of a load so it's still traveling upwards.
I have less than a 1" group at 50 yards. The recoil is very manageable. I was shooting off a concrete bench. I am not a new shooter with rifles ( but haven't shot muzzleloader for 15 years). I shoot sub MOA with my .270 and .223. I highly doubt it is my shooting.
I am open to trying the federal bullets as long as they are CO legal.
Unless it really is too light of a load so it's still traveling upwards.
I have less than a 1" group at 50 yards. The recoil is very manageable. I was shooting off a concrete bench. I am not a new shooter with rifles ( but haven't shot muzzleloader for 15 years). I shoot sub MOA with my .270 and .223. I highly doubt it is my shooting.
I am open to trying the federal bullets as long as they are CO legal.
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09-16-2015 | 01:48 PM
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Spike
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Exactly, my point was he is STARTING on an entirely too steep initial trajectory. For his sights to be THAT far off his front sight would have to be REALLY high. Of course all this conjecture is based off his assumption that he is hitting approximately 12 inches high at 100 and only 4 inches high at 50. That is a LOT of rise for that load.
So I am wondering if the front sight is wrong.... I got it from the bargain bin at Cabelas- so someone else had returned it.