Considering i shoot the Barnes bullets at smokeless ML speeds, im well aware of what they may do. It requires far more velocity that what is being discussed in this topic. 80gr of BH209 wont even come close to ripping apart a 45cal or 44cal 225gr XPB. Velocity would be in the 1700fps range with 80gr of BH209 and a 225gr bullet.

This one (on the left) was shot at just over 2300fps in my ULA model 20 50cal. It retained 205gr in a similar torture test. The one on the right is a 275gr XPB shot at roughly 2200fps.

Dang, I guess I'm a very unethical hunter fellows...

See, back in 1977 I bought a beautiful, custom made flintlock in .45 caliber from Bob Watts down in Atlanta...I used this caliber for deer until 1990, when I finished my .54 and then converted the .45 to a .40...

I killed a boxcar full of deer with that .45 and a 128gr roundball in front of 75grs FFF Goex...Never had a problem with deer, in fact the only reason I built a .54 was because of the bear population that has exploded in eastern North Carolina...

As most know a roundball won't give the penetration of a jacketed bullet and the ballistic coefficient is miserable...Yet somehow our ancestors managed to put game on the table for hundreds of years before elongated bullets came along....

So, what do I do??? Turn myself in to the Unethical Police??? :)

Got back into round ball hunting in 2012. Since then i've killed a few deer and about 25 wild hogs using patched .50 and .54 round balls. In my limited experience patched round balls kill about as well as anything else when put in the right spot.



Don't even think about it!!! You will be tried by prosecutor Toby Bridges and banned from hunting for life. :D

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Yep, and I totally understand and have seen it. People think I bash Barnes bullets because I think they are poor bullets, not true at all. For 90% of the ML shooters they are poor bullets. But if you choose to shoot them at 2100 plus they are as good as any other mushrooming bullet on the market. But you still don't want to exceed 200 yards at that velocity cause they will pencil. Its not opinions just facts. But I would guess most game is harvested at less then 100 yards anyway.