Super DISC Say-Bo-Less
08-21-2015, 07:44 PM
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Super DISC Say-Bo-Less
Well i found out what it does not like.
225gr FTX with 80gr of BH209 at 25 yards. The jacket seems too tough for the light load. I had one keyhole and this was it.
The Nosler 250gr did ok with 80gr but started to come to life at 110gr of BH209 at 50 yards.
The 275gr BE needs more powder than 80gr but it didn't key hole even once.
275gr BE 110gr BH209 50 yards
The Nosler 250gr gave me this with a max load at 50 yards.
And the only 100 yard group after being pounded all day.
275gr BE 120gr BH209
Now, these all loaded so easy its not even funny. Fingers only for starting and little more than the weight of the ramrod to seat them on the powder. The only thing i used was a single .460x.060 fiber wad. Fed209A primers stuck a little. The first two pics are with the Feds. All the rest are with plain old Win209s and only one was slightly sticky coming out of the NFPJ adapter. The anvil on the Feds was backing out and required another firing pin strike to come out.
Oh and i did not even swab once or clean the flash channel. I still need to measure the vent liner for wear. So much for the myth that BH209 needs a tight fitting projectile to shoot properly.
Recoil was VERY brisk without the sled. 
225gr FTX with 80gr of BH209 at 25 yards. The jacket seems too tough for the light load. I had one keyhole and this was it.
The Nosler 250gr did ok with 80gr but started to come to life at 110gr of BH209 at 50 yards.
The 275gr BE needs more powder than 80gr but it didn't key hole even once.
275gr BE 110gr BH209 50 yards
The Nosler 250gr gave me this with a max load at 50 yards.
And the only 100 yard group after being pounded all day.
275gr BE 120gr BH209
Now, these all loaded so easy its not even funny. Fingers only for starting and little more than the weight of the ramrod to seat them on the powder. The only thing i used was a single .460x.060 fiber wad. Fed209A primers stuck a little. The first two pics are with the Feds. All the rest are with plain old Win209s and only one was slightly sticky coming out of the NFPJ adapter. The anvil on the Feds was backing out and required another firing pin strike to come out.
Oh and i did not even swab once or clean the flash channel. I still need to measure the vent liner for wear. So much for the myth that BH209 needs a tight fitting projectile to shoot properly.
Recoil was VERY brisk without the sled.
08-21-2015, 07:56 PM
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who ever started the myth about bh209 needing a tight fitting projectile? I've shot a lot of loose fitting projectiles, especially the harvester sabertooths which is a very easy loading bullet and currently the 260gr PT Gold with a yellow ez load which which really takes just 1 finger to load.
08-21-2015, 08:07 PM
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Well i found out what it does not like.
225gr FTX with 80gr of BH209 at 25 yards. The jacket seems too tough for the light load. I had one keyhole and this was it.
The Nosler 250gr did ok with 80gr but started to come to life at 110gr of BH209 at 50 yards.
The 275gr BE needs more powder than 80gr but it didn't key hole even once.
275gr BE 110gr BH209 50 yards
The Nosler 250gr gave me this with a max load at 50 yards.
And the only 100 yard group after being pounded all day.
275gr BE 120gr BH209
Now, these all loaded so easy its not even funny. Fingers only for starting and little more than the weight of the ramrod to seat them on the powder. The only thing i used was a single .460x.060 fiber wad. Fed209A primers stuck a little. The first two pics are with the Feds. All the rest are with plain old Win209s and only one was slightly sticky coming out of the NFPJ adapter. The anvil on the Feds was backing out and required another firing pin strike to come out.
Oh and i did not even swab once or clean the flash channel. I still need to measure the vent liner for wear. So much for the myth that BH209 needs a tight fitting projectile to shoot properly.Recoil was VERY brisk without the sled.
225gr FTX with 80gr of BH209 at 25 yards. The jacket seems too tough for the light load. I had one keyhole and this was it.
The Nosler 250gr did ok with 80gr but started to come to life at 110gr of BH209 at 50 yards.
The 275gr BE needs more powder than 80gr but it didn't key hole even once.
275gr BE 110gr BH209 50 yards
The Nosler 250gr gave me this with a max load at 50 yards.
And the only 100 yard group after being pounded all day.
275gr BE 120gr BH209
Now, these all loaded so easy its not even funny. Fingers only for starting and little more than the weight of the ramrod to seat them on the powder. The only thing i used was a single .460x.060 fiber wad. Fed209A primers stuck a little. The first two pics are with the Feds. All the rest are with plain old Win209s and only one was slightly sticky coming out of the NFPJ adapter. The anvil on the Feds was backing out and required another firing pin strike to come out.
Oh and i did not even swab once or clean the flash channel. I still need to measure the vent liner for wear. So much for the myth that BH209 needs a tight fitting projectile to shoot properly.
Recoil was VERY brisk without the sled. I have found the same thing myself even with the brass bullet that I know are not obturating to the bore.
Cool!
08-21-2015, 08:09 PM
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who ever started the myth about bh209 needing a tight fitting projectile? I've shot a lot of loose fitting projectiles, especially the harvester sabertooths which is a very easy loading bullet and currently the 260gr PT Gold with a yellow ez load which which really takes just 1 finger to load.
PT Gold in a boat tail sabot?
08-21-2015, 08:12 PM
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no not the boat tail. These are basically the black harvester ez load sabot but made in yellow for the traditions smack down bullets. I think they discontinued the yellow color and have switched over to the black now.
08-21-2015, 08:17 PM
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I was especially happy the cheap Nosler 250gr shot so well. I dont have any 250gr BEs and the Nosler jacket appears pretty thin/soft. The little FTX has a tougher jacket and probably just needs to be sized a little tighter.
I sized on the loose side because i wanted to avoid a hammer down at a public range. Plus i figured fouling would tighten them up quite bit. Fouling actually seemed minimal.
Ive got some Sierra 300gr 458s i sized down to fit too. They also have a very thin jacket compared to the SST/FTX. I got kinda sore after a bit and held off shooting them.
I was especially happy the cheap Nosler 250gr shot so well. I dont have any 250gr BEs and the Nosler jacket appears pretty thin/soft. The little FTX has a tougher jacket and probably just needs to be sized a little tighter.
I sized on the loose side because i wanted to avoid a hammer down at a public range. Plus i figured fouling would tighten them up quite bit. Fouling actually seemed minimal.
Ive got some Sierra 300gr 458s i sized down to fit too. They also have a very thin jacket compared to the SST/FTX. I got kinda sore after a bit and held off shooting them.
08-21-2015, 08:19 PM
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I didn't know they switched from using MMP. Mine came with MMP 3 petal sabots. I wasnt sure if you meant the yellow BT sabot or the T/C Superglide. The SuperGlide is very very easy loading in most bores.
08-21-2015, 08:29 PM
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is that who makes them? I always figured they were harvester. I'll have to go and order from the mmp site then. The yellow ones are getting harder for me to find in the traditions brand name. They are 3 petal. Is this basically the super glide? I tried the crush rib and black smooth in the stikerfire but this yellow sucker is the real deal in it.
08-21-2015, 08:42 PM
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SuperGlide is a 2 petal made by MMP only for T/C. The 3 petal is also made by MMP but sold by a couple other brands and MMP. The colors may vary but its the same sabot. The rebranded Tradition/Parkers came with black MMP 3 petals and i bought them a long time ago.
