Lehigh 250 Grain Xtreme Penetrator
 

Late this morning the Xtreme Penetrator 250 grain bullet was tested. Range was 26 yard. Powder charge was 80g Blackhorn. It was shot through carpet, plywood, 5 water jugs, and into a wet phone book. Temperature was 49 degrees.





















The photo shows the jugs, and phone book arranged as they were before the shot. Usually when one shoots expanding bullets into water jugs, the first two are shredded, and the rest just have a hole in and a hole out without much more damage. Here one can see that the XP bullet just keeps inflicting damage as it travels through the jugs. The third, and fourth jug are too damaged to stand. The phone book was accidentally left out in the back of the truck, and it rained most of the night. The book was soaked, and luckily it expanded to about double it's dry size. This allowed for a capture of the Lehigh XP bullet, which was on it's way to Eenar. The bullet penetrated about half way into the soaked pages.












The bullet weighs 250.2 grain, and could be shot again.

Thats pretty amazing the way that bullet shreds jugs.

BTW that is how i prep phone books for bullet testing. I soak them in a 5 gallon bucket for at least an hour or until they swell to roughly twice the original size.

Ron,
Dave at Lehigh told me this bullet is better then the mushrooming bullets on the market. I really found that hard to believe just by the looks of it. But after your testing I really believe it is. I wish I could legally use it myself. Gotta check some surrounding states.

OMG! This bullet could potentially kill three deer running in a herd.

Looking at your replies lately, your obviously drunk or on something. You should seek some help!!

What is the ballistic coefficient of this bullet?
From there, can anyone w/ballistics software run the #'s to see what velocity and bullet flight path would be, out to say, 300 yds?

I wouldn't think it would be a good long range bullet but I'll check to see if I ran numbers on it.

Much appreciated!

Meant to say: Velocity @ 2,100 fps. Thanks again!

hahahaha
As much as you write about these bullets, you haven't a clue what it can / cannot do to a deer.

Talk about a lost step-child...... look in the mirror.

Your right, I have no clue what an XP bullet will do on any game?? Did you see someplace I posted some in the field results on game? Please provide a link or something to justify your comments. You normally can't back up anything you say but maybe I forgot shooting something with them. I'll wait for your link!!!

I've witnessed a 177 gr. roundball kill two deer. Now you are going to tell me there's absolutely no chance of getting three with this powerhouse 250 XP, using 120 grains of Blackhorn?


hahahahahaha..... get a clue and check your brain for on/off activity, this late in the day. I'm done talking to someone that preaches to the choir, but has no instruments to play for soundtrack.

So you can't back up what you said?? That's ok, I new you couldn't. Good luck next time

We didn't do any BC'S on the XP bullets. Once it cools down a little I will.

Actually there Trip, it's me that has a real world live game report of the Lehigh XP. I loaded up a couple hundred of them for my .458 SOCOM and since I am stuck at home with a blown knee I let one of my hog hunting buddies take my rig down to Texas with the rest of our team. Here is a link to that report. This report has also been sent to Lehigh Dave. http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/blac...us-lehigh.html

Dave's gonna be losing money on this. Target shooters are all going to start using these bullets with some sort of soft capture behind the targets and RE-USE them! :s2:

Sounds good:cool2:

Well looking at the videos they are an impressive design and perform well. But at $25/20 I don't think I'll be buying any. Every deer I ever shot with the 300 gr XTP expired extremely fast and fell within sight out of both my muzzys and my .44 mag revolver.

Bronko,
All the Lehigh Muzzleloader bullets are under $1.00 a piece.

http://www.lehighdefense.com/collect...ant=1210694000

When you compare to other premium bullets that's really cheap. But your right your XTP'S will do just fine.

This one interests me for one reason or another. It sure has a large window of velocities that it is suppose to work within.
Edit: I looked at all the muzzleloader bullets they offer and it seems they are all suppose to be effective at from 750 to 4000 fps.

what did the expansion and wound channel (if we can call it that) look like in the phone book? Was it a massive tunnel effect or a pencil hole?

I am having trouble understanding how this bullet could cause more damage than one that expands? Is it due to the "cutting" X on the front and the spin of the bullet? Seems like it would just "pencil" through, but due to the front, that may be why the difference?

It also looks funky in how it would fly vs a spire point. Anyone tried these for accuracy and velocity drop off at long range?

Tx, the flutes cut into the nose of the bullet create a sort of "vortex" in tissue with higher fluid content. It's quite devastating to the internal organs as several hogs dropped by my .458 SOCOM will attest to :s2:

I know the 305 grain I loaded up for my .458 flew very well grouping right at 1 Inch. And that was with very little playing around with loads. I could probably get it even better. I have yet to have a chance to get out and shoot some of the 250's that Ron just tested for accuracy out of my .50 TC but I soon will. I'll test them at 150 yards with 100-120gr BH with MMP blacks more than likely. I also have some crush rib laying around that I could try as well.

I am not the best at explaining much - but the bullet works by collecting fluids and fluid like tissue in the flute of the bullet. The flute is wide at the top of the bullet and then narrows to very narrow channel at the end of the flute. The material is collected in the flute and compressed to a very tight stream (like what you can do with a nozzle on your hose). It is then forced through the flute and then up and out. The velocity and volume of the flute in the bullet determines the velocity and the force that the stream has on surrounding organs and tissue.

If you have ever seen a water cutting torch work that is in effect what the bullet is doing.



This picture shows the different XP's and you can see as the caliber increases in size so does the size of the flutes.



Hope this makes some sort of sense.

Ok, so we might just need it in a conical???

I think I understand the tissue damage, but it would also create some turbulence in the air using the same forces wouldn't it? So with those forces exerting on the air it is passing through how can it fly straight and why wouldn't that slow the bullet down faster?

Any reports on shoulder shots/heavy bone?

The entrance to the phonebook is a nice round, but larger than caliber hole, shown in the photo. Some of the other damage down lower is from previous bullet. The next photo shows the hole is now elongated. This is because the bullet tumbled, and ended up facing the wrong way when it stopped.

Yes, with the 305 grain one of the shots Thomas put on a hog that weighed in approximately 140 pounds was a dead broadside heart shot through the shoulders. Another was a quartering away heart shot. Both instances he said the heart was blown apart. Same caliber entrance and a slightly larger caliber exit at approximately 2 inches higher then the entrance. He said the shoulder meat on the entrance was bruised up a good bit around the entrance but the exit wasn't bad at all. Shot was approximately 85 yards on the broadside shoulder to shoulder and the quartering away was approximately 70 yards.

Tx, I am no aeronautical engineer so I really couldn't tell you why they still fly well but so far they seem to fly very well indeed. Now as far as a long range (past 150) goes I really couldn't say since I haven't shot them past 100 out of the AR yet. I will be testing the 250's out to 150 which is pretty much as far as I shoot a smoke pole anyway.

Now is they just made a Colorado legal bullet!

Seems to me that this would cause less meat loss due to trimming than a lead bullet?

Were I hunting Colorado - this what I would use in a heart beat... And I am going to use here in Idaho for our very early 'Green Field' Season.

Most of these like shown in the first picture work very well without knurling a few of them do need to be lightly knurled.

Wonder if this one would knurl up to be a conical?

http://www.lehighdefense.com/collect...ant=1097181956

Very easily...

This one even easier because of the copper. And they are not as hard to get down if you raise the knurl to far. I guess I would say they are more forgiving. - I have done them and shot them...

The copper XP is not as strong as the brass XP and it can deform somewhat especially if large bone is hit. It is still an XP and will penetrate farther most.

http://www.lehighdefense.com/collect...ant=1073878840



Here they are now knurled



They were shot from my Western ULite



Here is photo collection

sl, could you give a little more insight on the base for the bullet? Is it 1 or 2 pieces and is it connected to the bullet by you or just resting on top? Lastly, I saw the name of that base in a thread but forgot the proper name of it. Where can that base be purchased? Much appreciated for any response.

The black polymer base is MMP 50 cal. Sub-Base or Sub-Bridge available from MMP Sabots.

They are not in any way attached to the bullet - the bullet just sits on top of the base. All the base does is act as a 'Wad'. You could use a shot card or even a regular wool wad to accomplish almost the same thing. I believe the sub-base provides the best gas seal.

They just one piece - You just push the base into the bore and place the bullet on top of it...





After you shoot them and if you can find them on the ground they really do not change much - you could almost re-shoot them.

It's called a sub base (also called a sub bridge). The bullet is seated on top of it. It helps in creating a better gas seal with these harder brass bullets since they don't obturate very much (if at all). I got mine from MMP. I think Midway carries them as well. I tried them under some of my connies and really saw little to no difference in performance but Sabot seems to feel they do help greatly with these brass bullets. I'll be using them to try out my new bloodlines when (if) they ever get here.

Sabot, quick question, I've had those bases for about a year now. You think they are like the MMP HP sabots and get a little brittle?

I am still shooting MMP that are over 10 years old never ever had a problem with that.

The new polymer formula is a far better more pliable product.

I should also say mine are stored out of the sun light . they are in the dark most of the time.

I was wondering about the wool/felt wad. If the sub base works better, that's what it will be. Only in jest I will say, I'm working on that 5%'er, and I'm almost there.


Thanks again to both of you for the great info.

When I when on their site it listed the XPs as $25/20 for the .458 - 305 gr. But regardless, I couldn't use them anyway in PA because they are non-expanding. I know you hunt Ohio so I guess they're legal there.

I'm using them for hogs bronko. And maybe because I bought a bulk shipment of 500 of them but I only paid $458 with shipping.

I don't have any plans on using the XP bullet at all. But I could check Ohio regs in case I want to.