Precision Rifle 250g QT
 

Chaded sent this 250g QT Polymer Tip to be tested, so this morning it was shot into carpet, shelving, and water jugs.











Once again the load was 80g Blackhorn, and the range was 25 yard.












The bullet now weighs 210.9 grain. It was found in the third jug, which was left in pretty good shape, with just a hole in, and no damage on the back side. The front two jugs were shredded. The last two jugs were undamaged, and will be used to test another bullet.

Looks like a Powerbelt. :)

Im glad he sent you those. I could not find the few i had left. I was very curious how they would compare.

Weight retention is about what i would have guessed but i didn't think they would flatten quite that much. It would be very interesting to see if the Dead Center version flattens less.

So what penetration does three water jugs, carpet and plywood mean to you? It would suggest to me that it would be a good deer bullet. I was surprised at your expansion. Thanks much for the test. I was looking through my bullet collection and found some all lead 250 grain Keith Nose pure lead boollets from Hunterman. I am saving up milk jugs as I write, as I want to test them in the same manner.

Most seem to think if it doesn't go through 5 jugs the bullet won't work.

Given the choice between a bullet that expands properly and penetrates 5 jugs vs 3. I think the 5 jug bullet is the clear winner.

Two holes are better than one assuming the bullet had enough energy transfer and tissue damage in the animal.

Also have to consider that a bullet thats made of copper and opens up to around 1" diameter, isn't going to penetrate as deep due to the mass of the bullet. 1" diameter bullet thats shaped into a cupped flower, thats pulling a TON of power through the body cavity.

Think of a parachute being made of a solid material and then being pushed through the ocean.

So, does that mean the Precision bullet doesn't get a pass through?

The 250g T-EZ, and the 250g XTP also penetrated 3 jugs in a same test. They are both considered excellent deer bullets; it seems this would also be good for deer. My only concern is it may be too long for my rifle.












Photo shows it next to a 200g shockwave.

Im sort of on the fence atm. I would have liked to see more penetration and less flattening. Maybe the Dead Center version performs better.

I think it did ok for a soft lead 250gr bullet but nothing i would call stellar considering the price. There are cheaper bullets that appear to perform better but they may not shoot as flat either.

I would like to see more about this bullet before forming an opinion. Ive shot this same bullet before and i did shoot ok. I suspect it will shoot better in my faster twist 45s.

Hey Muley, It seems to me the 250g T-EZ will pass through a deer. It penetrated the same as this bullet in the same test; one would think this bullet would be a pass through.

I was trying to make a point that a bullet doesn't need to go through 5 bottles to get a pass through on game.

To my knowledge, not one person has ever said a bullet needed to penetrate 5 jugs to be good for deer.

I have these in 180/40-cal. Thanks for the test and they will be fine for deer.

I suppose the Dead Centers will get into the 4th jug. Third or fourth jug for a lead bullet in this test is a passing grade for either the expansion lovers, or the penetration lovers. Cecil gave me a great deal on these QT Polymer Tips, when I bought a bunch of other accessories and Extreme Elite bullets.

You think those are long? You should see my 260 gr Extreme Elites in 40-cal. I should have purchased the 240s, for shooting 100-150 yards. The 260s are too long / narrow for my 1:28 50-cal.

It was a response to post #6.

How can post #5 be a response to post # 6? You surely can't predict the future? Ooh, maybe you can, ooh.

As i said if you have two that are basically equal except one penetrates more, the higher penetrating projectile gets my vote. There is a better chance of it performing better if the shot isnt perfect and you hit more bone than intended.

I usually wait for the beautiful broadside opportunity but deer dont always offer the perfect shot. A slight quartering will have a noticeable effect on penetration to the vitals.

Let say both are just 3 jugs, i would take the Barnes for one reason. I would not be finding any lead in my meat and the razor sharp petals are like a spinning death star.

LOL...Post #5 was a response to post #4.

Post #8 was a response to post#6.

I use a little different system in a test like Ron's. I take a know bullet like the Barnes, and use it as a base to judge the other bullets. According to what i'm looking for in a bullet.

Out of all the Barnes ive probably shot more of the 300gr 458SOCOM bullet and the little 225gr XPB. The XPB i shoot pretty fast and the 300gr i shoot close to 1900fps. Basically the same speed as the actual 458SOCOM CF counterpart.

I usually don't shoot boattails but this bullet shoots so good in my 54-120 i cant help it :D

The 225gr XPB imo is the overlooked gem in the Barnes lineup. Its cheaper and works just fine for deer at the more common hunting distances. Plus i can swap out to the 225gr FTX for fun and the load is still safe.

I'd like to see how the .40 260 Dead Center compares to this 250 QT.

Thanks for the report again Ron :D

Me too (or the 240gr DC) and i think SOMEONE near him shoots those big 40s. ;)

I have some 260gr 40cals but they are hardcast to 18BHN. Penetration is crazy compared to anything ive tried.

The .40 260 DC is a great bullet!! I would like to see it to.

I've been aware that boat tails don't perform well in muzzy's. I'm not sure why, but I think it has something to do with how they act in sabots.

Which is why I chose to use the T-EZ.

They make sabots for boat tailed bullets, little cup inside formed to fit the boat tail. Still haven't found one that will perform well out of a .50 anyway. That Barnes I mentioned was the best I've found yet and that's not up to snuff for me.

Have you noticed much variation between accuracy and shot charge?

Well My TC has a tendency to really like the hotter side of charges. I tried from 100gr BH up to 130. The groups started on the lower side charges at around 8 inches and tightened up to 6 inches at around 120 grains then opened up a smidge to around 6.5 to 7 at 130. Prior to my switchover to BH I usually shot around the same charge weight with T7. But as I said, she likes it hot. I really wish I could find a bullet that I could back off to around 90 grains with her. Even with all that recoil reduction stuff in the stock it has a wollup to me poor old shoulder on the bench. It's negligible off hand but bench postitions just crack me up. Getting to where it even bothers me when I shoot left handed with the shoulder that's not been hurt as often.

I'm kind of surprised by that. I was thinking about a work up for the 245 .50 Spitfire. Just went to midway and took a brief look. That bullet is a BT as well.

I'm aware of the sabots for boat tails, but it doesn't solve the problem.

Randy Wakeman says boat tails don't work well in muzzleloaders. I know you believe him.

LMAO. Pete of course I believe him. Since they have never shot well for me!!! As I said in the other post, I have a tendency to believe empirical truth and it don't get much more empirical that proving it to me dang self!

Me either lol

I know they don't work too, but not because Randy said it.

I've learned a lot of things from Randy 6 to 8 years ago. But as much as you complain about him you sure know everything he says and does. And you mention his name all the time. Your probably his best supporter and you don't even realize it!!

I read a lot of stuff. It doesn't mean I agree with it.

I even read your posts. :p

Which T/C you shoot'n?

Prior to going custom, the Encore platform rifles I've owned shot 107grs (75grs weight) of BH with the Barnes 250gr TMZ bullets with outstanding accuracy to 200yds. Never had a problem with the supplied sabots and the TMZ is a boattail (which you know already) loading or failing. When I did my part, that combo printed nice 3/4" groups at 200.

T/C Pro Hunter 209x50
Nikon Monarch 2.5-10x50
BH209 107grs volume (75grs by exact weight)
Barnes 250gr TMZ bullets with supplied sabots
CCI209M primers
Loading force average: 52# (fouled)... (+/- 5#)
Bullet seating force average: 106# (2 handed thump w/"T" handle)... (+/- 3#)

Couple things I've noticed with my rifles: Keep the carbon cleaned from the flash channel (10 shots or so). The 52# loading force was not excessive, yet provided a great seal. All the rifles shot the best with a hard seated bullet on the propellant. We have used the Harvester https://www.harvestermuzzleloading.c...hk=1&Itemid=18 in a couple different rifles and the groups went south.

The 250gr bullet has more than enough energy remaining at distances to 200yds, has slightly less recoil than the heavier 290's too.

Boattail bullets can shoot excellent from some rifles with the proper combo.

ronlaughlin
A suggestion;
If you have a compilation of data in text form so the comparison of bullets would be made easy for those of us who have trouble remembering our name could compare them to each other.
Some thing like
Precision Rifle 250g QT =2.5 jugs= expansion- 2 diameters
My thought is that each of use has certain bullets we know well and this would allow us to relate to the tests in more detail.

Some thing like
Precision Rifle 250g QT = 2.5 jugs penetrated = expansion 2 diameters (pancaked)

Others may be termed (fragmented) or (mushroomed)...... something similar in description

Ron's already spent a lot of time, effort and perhaps expense. Except for diameter measurement, what you're requesting is there. Give the man a break and collect for yourselves what he's already provided. Why invite Ron to do what you can?

No. ;)
We have enough to do already :hit:
Go away with that suggestion :throw:

I disagree with him on a number of topics but i can say this for him....I have never seen RW recommend a load that may be excessive. I can't say the same about TB. Anyone who knows the TB/Savage history would know this as a fact. Some of the loads he has listed more recently for 400gr bullets in Traditions rifles are really pushing it too.

Ive read through a ton of RW's archived posts on another forum. Yes he can be rude and yes he could do better voicing his opinion. The last time he posted on Dougs he was far more eloquent than the old days on MML.