Self serving? What do I get out of this? Anybody with two brain cells knows Randy is full of it. Why would I believe anything he says?

Answer a question honestly. Why did you post it?

You've moved from condescending to sarcasm. What can we expect next?

I'm going to go through some of articles and see if I can verify some of the info listed by supposed sources.

you do know that randy works for that website as an editor right? LOL. Other writers on there as well shoot cva and have nothing but good things to say about them.

toby bridges when knight let him go, started a smear campaign against knight stating that he was sorry he ever recommended them to folks because they were low quality junk. He now shoots Traditions.

I don't think you really know wakemans past.

Do you know wakeman HATES powerbelt bullets? YET I can show you ( If i can find the post) where he clearly states that the powerbelt bullet is nothing more than just a slightly under sized conical with a plastic base to hold it in the bore tight and that theres nothing wrong with a powerbelt.

Never take a writers thoughts to heart, there will always be something behind that writer for saying or writing what he or she does.

He stated he's shot thousands of Powerbelts, and loves them. This was on old forum posts. Now, that he gets paid to bash CVA Powerbelts are junk.

Um yes Pedersoli does. Do you have evidence to prove otherwise? Its a law in Italy that all must be tested and proofed.

My Pedersoli Ovation was test fired. I bought it new in the box. The fouling appeared to be a non corrosive test load.

BTW do you have a link to a CVA/Bergara/Dikar inline ML distributor in Spain? I found the Apex but no ML barrel was listed. I know of a member in Spain that cant seem to find them. He can only find Traditions and Pedersoli.

TB now shoots CVA too. Its his newest sponsor.

LOL! Cause I'm on the payroll. I'm seriously joking but you'll run w/it anyway. All you have is an arguments. Anyone w/2 brain cells can see that. Different person, different day. Glad you have it figured like Garp.

I can't wait to see how he's going to review it. A 180 i'm sure.

Pedersoli does a lot of business in europe, they have the proof house close by which makes sense for them to get it done and over with.

No clue, they normally run under the spanish names when selling in europe. I don't really care about whats sold in europe as i never plan to hunt or live there.

How about answering the question? Why did you post it?

I'll have to do some rechecking, but I thought TC fired and sidghted their guns in w/2 pellets before leaving the factory.

You bore me. Go back and read. You need to be occupied.

That says it all. A simple question, and you can't answer it. You won't because it will show your motive for posting it.

I bore you, but you can't stop responding to everyone of my posts.

You're an open book that's easy to read.

Years ago i asked him to review the Accura. His exact response in my email was.

"I would love to when they get on board."

I wonder if his relationship with Traditions is in trouble. He has a very poor history with leaving companies on bad terms. Savage/Mr Ball, Knight and even Pedersoli at one point.

All someone has to do is look at the sponsored list at the bottom of a forum, blog or so called review website. Places like WHC or TB's website/blog are obviously swayed by the sponsorship dollars. There is no way you can take the word of the "Pro Staff" or "expert" as fact without bias.

At least some companies have "Pro Staff" or sponsored shooting teams that show up at national competitions and put the money on the line. Slogans mean very little to a target or the match judges. :D

Remember how he bashed the PRB, and then got Pedersoli as a sponsor and had to try and change what he said.

Pedersoli wasn't going for it, and dropped him.

In trying to pinpoint who this is, did this guy also get ousted by Cecil and family?

Yes, he went on an anti PRB rant. Shortly after his relationship with Pedersoli came to a halt.

To be fair, i did take his advice on the 54-120 and i found it to be all he said and more. i absolutely love the rifle.

I find much of his later stuff to be highly suspect and some borderline dangerous. Some loads he has posted are very very stiff. 400gr bulllets and max+ loads of BH209 can be a disaster if not approached with extreme caution.

RW had a falling out with Cecil. At one time he seemed to love Cecil's bullets. Later on he made a point of calling Cecil's BC claims as "taken on the moon".

Something obviously happened during that time.

i thought it was the wolf rant about illegally how to kill them that got him canned with pedersoli?

I hunted with the WHC crew last year, great guys and the sponsorship they do, is actually for cva's website design and video work. They buy their own rifles and bullets believe it or not. Its always best to know what you are talking about before stating such things.

It does seem he's not bothered by recoil.

I read the letter Pedersoli sent him. Someone posted it. It was his stand on the PRB that busted him. Pedersoli makes way too many PRB guns to stand for that.

No Ram I have never worded for the auto industry. I worked for the USN where QC is much more stringent and lot sizes are smaller. I would think the auto industry relies on stastics to determine the amount of samples that need to be taken and adjust this quantity based on the results of the sampling inspection. And there are quite a few recalls on autos also. Heck my vehicle has had 3 recalls in the 4 or 5 years since I've owned it.

This is very interesting to me. I'm not sure your definition of brand bashing but I've seen it so far with two other companies. Are you just concerned with CVA bashing or all companies?? Me personally don't think reporting problems with any company is brand bashing.

I notice you have brought back MD and his very first post was already looking to argue with people. Since you've let this go on I hope your not going to ban anyone for arguing back if they choose to?? Most will choose not to but just curious.

Argue? Im long over that LOL. I'll leave the forum arguing and spamming up to you.

I left the forum on my own and after a nice break of relaxing and letting others use the forum without my "hostility" I figured it was time to come back and say hello to everyone Ive missed.

I just hope I dont get picked on for shooting round balls vs those pricy bullets ive read so much about!

Hwy MD you won't see me bashing you about shooting PRBs. My last 2 muzzies are RB shooters. Both GM barrels one a .50 and the other a .58. The .58 is a blast to shoot and I am seriously thinking of taking it bear hunting with me in PA this year. If it rains I will use my .45-70 Marlin 1895 Cowboy. Either way it will be a bit of nostalgia.

You should! Its an awesome experience going after bear with a big ol nasty 58! A little rain shouldn't scare you off. Wrap the nipple threads in teflon tape to keep water from slowly seeping in, a good patch lube and just casually drape your arm over the lock if you are tree stand hunting.

Well let's clear the air a bit here Grouse since you asked!
I don't blind side anybody. But when the hammer falls you are told why.
1. I did not invite MD back he came on his own.
2. As long as it stays civil - let it continue but the brain cell comments is very close to causing some time off. The hash mark score card of mine is filling up fast.
3. I own more than just CVA's -
4. Agree with you about your comment about with reporting problems on products on any company no matter who it is and is why the thread was reopened after the copyright approval was granted. I didn't wait for word from GS - I went and asked myself directly to the author of that article and I did wait for HNI Admin approval here either. Once I had copyright approval this thread was reopened pronto even tho I knew there would be jabs thrown!

Now with all of you knowing that I will go form my posse. Keep it civil is all I ask. Quite a bit could and would be better suited using the Private Messaging system as it is between single users. If that is the case I highly recommend you do that.
JW

Actually, I was the one who "brought back" MD although that description isn't necessarily accurate. MD's account was previously permabanned (by me) at his request and was not the result of Admin or any of the mods banning him for cause. He sent in a request to unban his account through another member and that request was granted.

MD, just like all other members, will have to abide by the rules (see link below). All of you can discuss, disagree, have a difference of opinion and sometimes just end up agreeing to disagree but you can't insult other members, brand bash or commit any other rules violations. If you (or anybody else) violates the rules, your violation will be edited and you will be warned, temp banned or possibly permabanned, depending on the severity of the offense, track record, etc.

As you can see in rule # 17 (see below quote and link), forum rules and guidelines are not up for debate. That means nobody is allowed to challenge, complain about, question, etc. the rules in the forums. Each of you has a PM (Private Message) feature that you can use to send a mod a PM with any concerns you have about a rules, post, etc. If in doubt, use the PM. If you have questions, use the PM. That way the specific mod can answer your question/concern without either of you violating the rules.

Since you're "unsure" about JW's definition of what constitutes "brand bashing," I've included the link and HuntingNet rule about it in the quote below. That would be the definition that JW, I, all other mods and even Admin work from in regards to brand bashing. As you can see, it is not restricted to just the CVA company.

JW...Read that post again about two brain cells. It wasn't pointed at any member.

Just a comment that if you believe Randy you can't be too smart. Nobody has admitted to believing Randy. I was careful how I worded it.

The comment was improper. You can't kid no one but yourself. Told you that guy haunts you.

Well I'd like to think I have more than 2 brain cells no matter the wife says! :s2: And the fact of the matter is, that article did provide a very solid PROOF base. It provided documentation, not just some people's beliefs but actual proof, and a very solid argument about how these barrels aren't proofed in any way. It's enough for me to never buy a product produced by any of the companies. Of course there are guys with CVA's that have never had a problem. But I for one would not like to be the "lucky lotto" winner that gets the one that will go BOOM in my face.

You'd be surprised if you knew what he meant. PM's are good.

Nobody has proved a Bergara barrel blew up due to a faulty barrel. I'm be willing to bet all the cases were owner error, and of course they'll lie about it to collect money. CVA pays off to keep off the negative publicity. It doesn't mean they're guilty.

Has anybody tested the Bergara barrel with proper loads, and blew it up? Proper loads meaning not more than 150gr of BP, or subs, and not more than 120gr of BH 209 which is a magnum load.

I read a lot of threads, I try not to do much posting. I am a relative newcomer to blackpowder, most folks that post here have decades of experience with it. I am glad to see Mountain Devil back! He once sent a scope mount to me for only the postage and a loose powder breech plug too. His sudden disappearance caused me to wonder if he had health issues, maybe a parole violation,etc. I am glad to hear that he just took some time off and is doing well. Just kidding about the parole violation thing. Welcome back MD, and thanks again for your generosity.

Lee had his Bergara barrel tested and confirmed its weaker then the competition. Lehigh Defense and I had tested several CVA breech plugs and confirmed they are soft and weak. Weak breech plugs and weak barrels aren't a good combination at all.

For those who want to defend CVA, why not just supply facts and or links that can be contacted and proven other wise?? The facts are just so much easier. Like Rons bullets testing, pretty cut and dry😉. Well some don't understand that either but will worry about that later.

Works both ways. How can you prove a barrel doesn't blow up with a proper load if it never blows up?

Lots of guys shoot nothing but mag loads, and have no problem.

Saying the BP and barrel are weak doesn't really prove anything if you can't get them to fail.

If we were in court right now, and you had to prove the barrels blow up. How would you do it?

I believe this post is getting worn out. It has turned into an arguing language Edited by JWcontest now. Time for it to get deleted I think.

Nobody is forced to read it.

Sorry, but i'll defend CVA as long as I believe it's a good gun.

I agree that it is time to end this thread when people start ignoring the fact that a safety factor of 100% prevents a lot of accidents and injury its time to change the subject.