Black Powder Ask opinions of other hunters on new technology, gear, and the methods of blackpowder hunting.

T/C Triumph Bone Collector Mis-fires

Old 07-30-2015 | 05:52 AM
  #61  
Muley Hunter's Avatar
Giant Nontypical
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 9,557
Likes: 0
From: Colorado
Default

Well, there you go. I used to always say BH can rust a barrel in certain conditions, but everybody had me convinced it couldn't happen.

I'll go back to saying it can happen on some guns.
Muley Hunter is offline  
Reply
Old 07-30-2015 | 06:03 AM
  #62  
Gm54-120's Avatar
Giant Nontypical
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,612
Likes: 0
Default

It certainly can happen even to SS barrels. You just have more time with SS. Pyrodex is plain terrible as far as rust goes. I would rather use real BP than Pyrodex.

If you want to use BH209 over an extended period on a fouled bore, dry swab to remove most of the fouling. Extended to me is a 3 day weekend without any rain.
Gm54-120 is offline  
Reply
Old 07-30-2015 | 07:06 AM
  #63  
Nontypical Buck
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,732
Likes: 0
From: Rapid City, South Dakota
Default

Yes, i agree, one pass with a dry patch, should greatly help reduce the chance of rust when using Blackhorn. After one pass with a dry patch, my rifle barrels look shiny clean, even though i know they aren't. Using a patch with solvent proves the barrel wasn't clean.

The use of one dry patch removes the bulk of the loose burnt stuff, and theoretically should put off rust for quite awhile. It may also help with the first shot flier.
ronlaughlin is offline  
Reply
Old 07-30-2015 | 07:31 AM
  #64  
super_hunt54's Avatar
Nontypical Buck
 
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,695
Likes: 1
From: Illinois
Default

Originally Posted by mzelktag
Thanks super hunt54. Saved the target and took a picture. Soon as I get more bullets in I will shoot again and see if it is repeatable. Still not sure how I will use it during the hunt if I am stuck with this. Just to be clear, ya can't hunt for days with a uncleaned barrel will badly corrode the barrel right?
Myself, I have always followed a certain cleaning ritual that my dad and greatgrandpa drilled into me, "If it left the house, it's to be broken down and cleaned immediately". That goes for ALL my weapons. Even my knives. It's partly why I did that cold/clean barrel test. It's been a rare thing over the years that I have ever had to take a followup shot with a ML'er but it HAS happened. 1rst shot performance is what is key in ML'ing. Game doesn't have the tendency to "stick around" while you load up a second. If I had your rifle, I would set it up for where that first shot is hitting with whatever you decide on to shoot. Shooting groups is all well and fine for the range to see what your rifles overall potential is but it's that 1rst shot that counts on game.
super_hunt54 is offline  
Reply
Old 07-30-2015 | 07:44 AM
  #65  
Fork Horn
 
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 413
Likes: 0
From: Virginia
Default

Originally Posted by Triple Se7en
Guarateed rust is why I returned my unopened container of Pyrodex to Cabelas yesterday. Returned my Hornady One Shot Cleaner. Returned my two 20pks of Barnes XPBs.

I walked out with a new Range Rod, 50pk of 44 cal Harvester Crushed Ribs and a 50pk of Hornady XTP 300 gr.
Your gonna like those 300gr XTP's in a black crushrib!!

So what are you using for powder these days? You don't like BH209, triple seven, or pyrodex...
toytruck is offline  
Reply
Old 07-30-2015 | 07:46 AM
  #66  
Nontypical Buck
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,922
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by chaded
I would be careful about how long I left the barrel dirty on a triumph. The one I had that my father in law has now did rust and all that has ever been shot through it has been Blackhorn209.

In fact, this past gun season he brought the gun up to my house afterwards because the breechplug was stuck. I thought it may have been the threads but after working it out the threads were fine but the end was covered in rust (breechplug end now pitted) and so was the breech area. This is actually the second time this has happened so I have told him to forget about leaving that gun dirty for very long. I have not had a problem in stainless guns after leaving them dirty for weeks but blued guns and that Triumph has not been so well.
I wonder if dad-in-law was exposing his already shot ML to a mix of high indoor and low outdoor temps, allowing that gun to sweat for multiple days / times? That probably increased his odds for rusting. Moisture may be the reason the non-treated breechplug threads and edges froze-up.

I never had a breechplug even come relatively-close to freezing-up using Blackhorn. I use the white plumbers teflon tape on mine. I give all threads two layers of protection. Then magic appears when I clean that breechplug. I would say 80% of that teflon tape comes up missing........ poof..... gone..... MIA.... like in a Randy Wakeman Magic Show in a Chicago 150-seat nightclub.

Last edited by Triple Se7en; 07-30-2015 at 07:51 AM.
Triple Se7en is offline  
Reply
Old 07-30-2015 | 07:50 AM
  #67  
Nontypical Buck
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,926
Likes: 0
From: Saxonburg Pa
Default

Blued guns are terrible with any powder.
Grouse45 is offline  
Reply
Old 07-30-2015 | 07:55 AM
  #68  
Muley Hunter's Avatar
Giant Nontypical
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 9,557
Likes: 0
From: Colorado
Default

Originally Posted by Triple Se7en
I wonder if dad-in-law was exposing his already shot ML to a mix of high indoor and low outdoor temps, allowing that gun to sweat for multiple days / times? That probably increased his odds for rusting. Moisture may be the reason the non-treated breechplug threads and edges froze-up.

I never had a breechplug even come relatively-close to freezing-up using Blackhorn. I use the white plumbers teflon tape on mine. I give all threads two layers of protection. Then magic appears when I clean that breechplug. I would say 80% of that teflon tape comes up missing........ poof..... gone..... MIA.... like in a Randy Wakeman Magic Show in a Chicago 150-seat nightclub.

I keep the BP threads bone dry when using BH. It spins right out everytime. They'll tell on their site that nothing is needed on the threads.
Muley Hunter is offline  
Reply
Old 07-30-2015 | 02:56 PM
  #69  
Thread Starter
Spike
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Default

I'll keep track of the 1st shots for that approach. I will also try the dry patch between shots. Dirty barrel seems risky, I will not know the weather. This is a high altitude horse hunt.
mzelktag is offline  
Reply
Old 07-30-2015 | 04:13 PM
  #70  
super_hunt54's Avatar
Nontypical Buck
 
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,695
Likes: 1
From: Illinois
Default

Originally Posted by mzelktag
I'll keep track of the 1st shots for that approach. I will also try the dry patch between shots. Dirty barrel seems risky, I will not know the weather. This is a high altitude horse hunt.
Then you will DEFINITELY NOT want to have any fouling in your barrel period. Not sure where you will be but every altitude hunt I have been on in my considerable years has been like a woman when it comes to weather. Never know when it's gonna change and never know if it's going to be a storm or just a mild fit Not to mention altitude change means temperature change as well as moisture density. That equals condensation in the barrel. Stick with the plan, clean your bore down well for EVERY shot, cool it, and basically shoot it at the range every shot as a cold clean bore. Figure where that shot is hitting at consistently.
super_hunt54 is offline  
Reply

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.