How many different muzzleloaders have you had multiple big game harvests with?
 

1- Traditions Flintlock
2- T/C Renegade Flintlock
3- Lyman DeerStalker Flintlock
4- 50 Knight Extreme
5- Winchester something??? Lol
6- 45 Knight Extreme
7- T/C Omega
8- T/C Triumph
9- CVA Accura
10- 50 Nula custom
11- T/C Encore
12- T/C Prohunter
13- T/C Endeavor
14- 50 Knight Elite
15- 45 Knight Elite
16- 50 Knight Ultralite
17- 50 Knight Mountaineer
18- 50 Knight Vision

Wow!
I haven't harvested that many deer, let-alone with one style rifle.

Dang Grouse. I was going to respond. But after looking at your list I tucked my tail 'tween my legs, slunk my belly down close to the floor, and crept under the bed.

Well Grouse...

I see you're a PA boy as well. Maybe you should ignore what I said in your post about wanting a Knight flintlock built because it's obvious you have flintlocks and have taken deer with them. As for myself, I've passed on many opportunities to kill a deer just to say I've killed a deer with this rifle or that rifle. I live right on the PA/NY border (2/10 mile) and they literally SLAUGHTER the deer across the line from me. The same deer herd passes to and fro, not to mention that their firearms season always starts earlier than ours and there are NO antler restrictions in NY. They also get multiple doe tags so they just pile them up. If we don't exercise some restraint on this side of the line, we won't have any deer.

BPS

Way to many Deer here. Most hunters don't understand how important it is to kill Doe were needed. The buck to Doe ratio in my opinion needs to be 1 to 1. That's why Ohio has so many big bucks.

I can understand that, but when I hunt, I want to see deer. A 1:1 ratio means sitting long hours just to see a deer where I live. I'm not a trophy hunter, I have no problem passing on the spikes, threes, and fours, but as I say, these deer that we pass up go 400 yds. through the woods into NY and get whacked. Until NY does some kind of antler restriction, I'm not gonna see big racks in my area and I don't care what the ratio is.

BPS

Bottom line...

IF YOU DON'T HAVE DOES TO ATTRACT THE BUCKS... YOU WON'T HAVE BUCKS!!!

BPS

My uncle owns around 90 acres boarding the allegheny national forest in Salamanca NY. I haven't hunted there in 8 years or so but back then it was shotgun muzzleloader only. I believe they have changed the laws now.

Well in Virginia we really only have two types of big game ,deer n black bear,so that leaves one,,Knight T bolt 50 cal..If its multiple deer then Thompson Center Thunderhawk,TC Grey Hawk,TC Renegade,TC 54 Scout,,Knight Mk 85 50 cal, 50 cal.Knight Disc Extreme,,Savage ML11,White super 91,in 50,45 and 41,,White 50 cal super safari,Green Mountian 54-120,45 cal.Knight Disc Extreme,TC Omega,White 45 Bison,White 2001 carbon wrapped 50 cal,TC Encore,Austin &Halleck 50 cal,,52 cal,Knight long range hunter, TC Hawkin 50 cal Lrh,,Traditions 50 cal Lightining bolt..I might have missed something,but I used to hunt on a farmer that had 10 damage stamps,and you could take 2 deer a day at the time.I used a muzzleloader for all my hunting. I gave most of the meat away to the guys on the job and the needy..

I have to add this,in some places in Va. the deer herd is way out of balance,you see a lot of deer with a nice rack on one side and a spike or claw on the other.Lots of semi white deer and spotted deer.After a few years of culling does and bucks with messed up racks,the quality of deer improved on the land we hunted on.My hunting buddy shot 2 bucks in the 150 class..I also hunted on my girl friends property where they only shot bucks and let all the does walk.Like all things in nature you have to have a balance .My Gf property was over run with does and you where lucky to see a buck of any kind.

I've taken deer with 3 different ML's.
My original MK-85 that I got in the early 90's has done most of the work, probably around 20 or so with that one gun. I have 2 guns right now that I've never taken one with, that is my goal for next season! :D

I only have one and that is my T/C Hawken .50 cal flintlock. I've carried it for many years and I really would have to sit down and count the number of deer I have taken with it. I have others that have taken one deer and another that has taken a deer and a feral cat (if you want to count that)!

NO
NO
NO
YES -several
NO
YES - a few
YES - a few
YES - 2
NO
NO
NO
NO
NO
YES - a few
YES - a few
YES
YES
NO

Remington 50 cal .700ML - Yes - several
A&H 50cal - yes - a few
Lyman Trade Rifle - 54 cal - Yup a few
CVA 50 cal -??? - Sidlelock Percssion - the one with the black composite stock Yes - 1
CVA - Mag Bolt - Yes - a couple
White Ultra Mag - YES - a few
White White Lightening - YES - 2
White 451 Whitetail - Yes - 1
TC Hawken 50 - Yes - a couple
TC Renegade 54 - Yes -1
TC Renegade 50 - Yes- a few

Think that is it..

In answer to the OP... these are the ones I own that I've taken deer with on more than one occasion.

T/C Hawken .45 Flint
T/C Hawken .50 Perc
T/C Scout .50 Carbine Perc
T/C Scout .50 Rifle Perc
T/C Renegade .50 Flint
T/C Firestorm .50 Flint
T/C PA Hunter .50 Flint Carbine
T/C Renegade .54 Flint with GM 1:70 Barrel
T/C Renegade .54 Perc
Cabela's Hawken .54 Perc
T/C Firehawk .58 Perc

BPS

Got back into muzzleloader hunting in 1999 with a borrowed gun. Bought a cheap CVA StagHorn rifle in 2000.

.50 CVA StagHorn: About 25 deer and dozens of hogs.

.50 Encore: About 20 deer and dozens of hogs.

.50 TC New Englander: Two deer and a few hogs using patched round ball.

.54 TC New Englander: One deer and a few hogs using patched round ball.

.54 TC FireHawk: One or two deer and several hogs using patched round ball.

In my next life, I'm hoping to be fortunate enough to have a nice spread of private wooded land.:violin:

Well...

If the Muslims get 72 virgins... maybe us good ol' boys will get 72 firearms (our choosing of course). LOL!!

BPS

How about 7 firearms and 200 acres?

Blackpowdersmoke....

I have a Muslim cat that wants to be friends with those 72 Virgins.

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Semisane's idea of seven firearms and 200 acres works for me. As long as the land isn't in the middle of Death Valley. :s201:

Whoooee... I dunno Semi. I'd probably be alright with the 200 acres, but trying to pick just 7 firearms? MAN!!! That would be a tough one!

BPS

:s2: Now that's a topic for a whole new "what if" thread.

Limit me to either one of my 451 White's and 200 acres and I'll be one happy boy! GRIN

I could easily get by with 7 firearms (at least I think I could). From what I have now on hand they would be:
1. Rem 870 3 1/2" 12 gauge
2. Tikka T3 30-06
3. Savage .22 lr bolt
4. Custom stocked .54 percussion
5. T/C Hawken flintlock with GM LRH barrel
6. S&W 29 44 mag (8 3/8" bbl
7. S&W M&P40
Yeah, that should do it.

1 - T/C Renegade 54 Caplock
2 - Rynite T/C New Englander 54 Caplock
3 - Hardwood T/C New Englander 54 Caplock
4 - Second T/C Renegade 54 Caplock
5 - Knight LK-93 Wolverine 54
6 - Semi custom Pedersoli blue Ridge Flintlock 50 cal with Green Mountain slow twist barrel

I have 3 Knights, all .50 cal. A Disc Elite, a Master Hunter and a Long Range Hunter, all have Lehigh Bare Primer breech plugs. I use the Elite as a back up and it has one whitetail buck to it's credit. The Master Hunter and Long Range Hunter have, since 2008, when I started using muzzleloaders for all my hunting, accounted for 2 Aoudad rams(one 26 inch and one 30 inch) , a Corsican ram, 5 mature WTs (19 pt, 2 10 pt and 2 8 pt); 1 Fallow buck, 16 feral hogs and several WT cull bucks and several fallow and WT does. Texas Parks and Wildlife surveys our low fence lease each year and tells us what age, sex and how many deer to take each year. Texas does not consider exotics "wildlife" and they and the feral hogs can be hunted year round. I recently purchased a .50 cal LHR Redemption and will add that to the list next season as soon as I get loads worked up.

TC Renegade .54 perc
TC FireHawk .54 perc
TC Encore .50
White S91 .504
White S91 .451 my favorite by far!! Sold the FireHawk/ Encore after finding the Whites...

TT, I would get rid of that .504 as well. You know all you need is that .451 GRIN

Ed

Think I will keep it Ed...they are hard to come by now. I have a .504 M97 and Bison, but haven't hunted with them. They are the grandsons, an very accurate as we know...but don't tell anybody!!;)

Our secrect tt...
Steve

Interesting! In going with the traditions I've read on boards like this one, concerning the large volume of White Rifle owners that post their comments here, I have to ask this. Is your grandson large enough physically, shooting a White ML known for big-big (400-500 gr) conical bullet uses...... with big recoil that follows???

Or have the White Rifle ownership community found ways to shoot lighter powder/ bullet combinations in those 1:20s?

What an authoritarian Rifle brand it is / was..... once produced by ML guru Doc White. If there was a Muzzleloader Rifle Hall Of Fame, he would get immediately inducted.

Shoot T7, a White will shoot just about anything extremely well.

I have an old White Lightening in 504, weighs a whopping 6+ pounds you can fabricate many loads for it that are really comfortable to shoot or you can load up those big heavy conicals and push them out also.

During our ML season I shoot a 460 grain Bull Shop from the rifle with 90 grains of T7-3f then during rifle deer season I shoot a 40x200 Bloodline - it all works in a White.

The older grandson is almost as big as me at 15y/o so yes he is, the younger one will have to grow some...if they don't want to hunt with them that's their choice, at least they have that chance to shoot one of the best ML produced. They shot both rifles last summer, both boys hit dead center bulleyes at 50 yds...

The recoil isn't really that bad, either IMO, no more than any TC that I have shot. Glad we can agree on something....

My one 12yr old grandson harvested his first doe this year using my White ML shooting 70gr of T7-3F behind a 465gr connical. I asked him how was the recoil? He just shrugged his shoulders and said it was just fine. My 8yr old grandson got his first doe also with my other 45cal White with 55gr of T7-3F with a 350gr bullet with no problem at all.

That's good news. My grandson is 12 years old and will see the range for the first time this summer. I have a Limbsaver recoil pad on my Omega, which he will shoulder. I'll start him-off easy, shooting lightweight sabots and soft recoil Goex.

Then I'll offer him my Knight with the No Excuses and about 20-25 more grains. I'll find out real fast what his tolerance level is. :biggrin:

Me, i see no humor in trying to shock a new shooter. One thing you might find out, is how to quickly make a life time flincher.

Don't forget shooting at the range and at a deer is completely different.

In our state, he will need to take gun safety classes, to get hunting licensed. At least I think so. It was that way several years ago.

Growing up anybody that carried a gun an hunted had to have a hunting license (dad was a gamewarden). In todays world kids under 12 can hunt w/o a license but have to be with a licensed hunter to mentor them an be close enough to control the weapon used.

12 an up a hunter safety course is required to obtain a hunting license. I took the hunter safety course in highschool back in the late 60's, now they go for half day to class at designated sites, an the rest is online. Progress I guess....

I like the fact kids can hunt for free under the mentor program. What I don't like is they don't need a hunters safety course. In PA they are free classes and I think they should attend first.

Hunter Safety classes are still free here last I heard. I went with my then 12 y/o grandson back 3 years ago when it was a 8 hr. all day class. We both got 100 on the final test...I agree they should take the course first before hunting. Dad wouldn't let my brother or I hunt till we did.