My 100yd range this afternoon.....
 

If they only knew.....

Oh, they do!

they is mocking you.

Looks like all my coyote calling stands this morning

We get deer walking in front of the targets all the time at our public range.

Never during hunting season. They can't be that smart?

Barnz

Keep that trail/road plowed during the late season. Plow it the day prior to hunting it. That digging-up with your plow uncovered reasons why those deer attended.

Perhaps even lay-down some small kernel food under that exact area next year, a few days prior to the first plowable snow.

I can buy a lot of bullets and propellant for the costs associated to the price of a ticket for baiting.

Same here..... mid-Michigan.

What I don't understand are all the stores that legally sell the bait inside an area where it's banned.

If I ever did bait there and was fined, I would sue Michigan's DNR for baiting me into buying it and allowing stores to sell it there.

I see small kernels everywhere here. People are doing it and because the granules are so small and we never see an officer present anywhere, they cannot stop the offenders. It's all public land here. They would need 100 officers to cover 10 square miles and we are talking about 100s and 100s of square miles of public hunting lands, between here and Upper Peninsula.

Yeah, good luck with that. Just don't to shoot a trophy buck over that bait. A $12,000 fine would hurt, BAD.

Unbelievable! You would bait illegally, and then sue the DNR for tempting you?

Don't point that finger at me. I already stated I don't do it. But there are a thousand of your-type hunting environments around, that do do-it and have gotten away with it for over 30 years.

I had a work associate who did his best hunting on November 14th, a day prior to rifle season here. Always showed us pictures of his harvests afterwards..... year after year.

I hate poachers .... especially braggarts. The guy I hunt with used to be in Vietnam. He's similar to Rambo in the movies. When we first hunted, I got him to stop hanging deer from trees. Yes, he would trap deer Vietnam-style and bending trees would capture them (supposedly), with Florida fishing water lines. That was private land back then and I stopped him from doing it immediately..... within days of my arrival. I never saw it done personally, but I take him at his word.

We hunt legal all the time. I only leave my left-over peanut-butter and jelly sandwiches in the woods.

Its a Michigan thing and I don't think he's serious. A single step forward, puts you into a different category when it comes to baiting. Some areas in the south I believe they can use a certain amount of bait. Cross a line by a step in the northern areas and the first offense can start at $500 to $1,000.

Exactly Barnes. And someone needs to tell poster Muley that we (Michigan) have the sharpest lawsuit / malpractice lawyers in this country. Yes, the actual government agency that passed these laws can be sued for baiting the accused baiter.

There's even talk to sue the state of Michigan for baiting drunk drivers, by parking police vehicles nearby the bar. Years ago there were bars in residential neighborhoods / unzoned locations. Not anymore will they grant licenses to open a bar in my subdivsion, at a current ranch-type home next door to me.

That may change soon, for the government cannot force us to drive a car to a bar for a drink / socialize. A sharp lawyer would force the government to allow me to open a desired bar, in the tri-level home right next door to you or me, in an unzoned area that's currently outlawed.

That way the drunks can walk home, not be forced to drive. Many years ago, there were 220 bars in my two square miles of old/small town Hamtramck Michigan. We may see a ton of residential bars popping up soon in Clinton Township Mi.

BTW... I haven't had more than two beers in a bar in over 15 years. Not discussing myself here.

In Colorado the land owners don't have to mark their property. It's up to the hunters to know where the boundaries are.

The same with your situation. It's up to the hunters to know the boundaries.

However, if you want to suggest that hunters who break the law should sue the DNR, because they were tempted. That just shows me who you are.

I don't really care, so i'm done with this foolishness.

That first off is a great picture. Deer sometimes come on my shooting range as well. We just don't have many deer anymore. But I love to watch deer. I'd be happy just sitting there watching them. Nice range by the way.

How's Colorado with fines?

http://www.mlive.com/outdoors/index...._bucks_is.html

Michigan takes fines pretty seriously.

Thank you.

If the wife is gone, I move the bench back to the location that the photo was shot, which gives me 150yds.

I've been doing everything possible, to get the wife to let me doze another shooting lane, where I could get to 250yds. She gives me the "evil eye" about that and threatens to push me down and make me eat dirt!

The Ultimate and the muzzlebrake is a little loud......

Strict enough to send a cop to jail for poaching an elk. He was even on duty when he did it.

Trespass, and you will be fined.

Oh the temptation. I count 8 just teasing you.

Lighten up, Francis.

Mods don't need your help.

If this is true, it is the stupidest thing I have ever heard!!! How in the hell is a hunter supposed to know where the property lines are???

Now I know how they passed those stupid pot laws!!!!!!!!!!!!! They must all be stoned in Colorado.

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great picture

Every state I've hunted, KS, SD, CO, MO. It's up to the hunter to know where they are. Wandering on to private land is no excuse for trespassing.

So let's say your on a national forest or state land and wander onto private property? Sorry, in Va. we post property and we don't ticket hunters or citizens for wandering onto private land that is not clearly marked or posted.

So I still have to say this is beyond weird to me! My thoughts pal.

I apologize, if things have gotten out-of-hand in discussions of this thread, which has now been sidetracked to different discussions. I started all this off-tracking stuff and feel a little responsible for some nitpicking going on here.

Peace everyone!

T7, if I am misunderstanding your post, I apologize.

Baiting is legal in Michigan except in the 4 counties where Tuberculosis has been found. The volume cannot exceed 2 gallons at any one site and has to be spread out over a 10' x 10' area (along with a few other reg.'s), but legal.

I think I understand your point with the link. Michigan does distinguish between baiting and feeding. Both are legal. Page 60 of the 2014 Michigan Hunting Guide goes into details. In summary:

Baiting to aid in hunting deer, is legal except for the four counties.
Feeding is for wildlife viewing and is legal for elk as well, but you cannot hunt over feed.

I have never hunted elk and since the OP's picture was of deer, I incorrectly assumed this entire thread was on deer.

Awesome picture.

I'm in the heart of the worst county affected. Even was requested by DNR to take all harvested deer to the DNR Post on Highway 33 by Mio, Michigan for Bovine TB testing, prior to the trip to the butcher.

Not really, you should have a pretty good idea who's property your on.

...Deleted by CalHunter... But I lease a hunt property that the land owner isn't sure where his lines start and stop. Part of my lease is to mark the property lines and as of now I can't complete this task until the property owner has a survey done!

Maybe I should have you come on out to us here in Virginia an help us?!?! How 'bout it?

In Michigan, the southern part of the state is broken up into many small parcels of acreage. There are still big farms, but many have been broken into small 5 to 10 acre plots. Mostly because the "yuppies" wanted out of the city and property values were very high at one time. Trespassing in MI is a thing landowners take pretty seriously, which is why many try to anchor a deer on the spot. Properties are "normally" marked on every tree with No Trespassing signs.
The State does not post its borders, except for most corners. However the landowners generally post private property surrounding it.

rafsob, you may need to double check the tresspass laws in VA. It IS illegal to hunt without permission on private land in VA, even if it is not posted. The only difference between posted and non-posted land in VA is that with posted land, you need written permission. Non-posted land still requires verbal permission. Yes, it is on you to know.

What is surrounding the private land you're leasing? If it's other private land then you should know where the boundaries are unless you know that land owner too.

Not exactly what I was talking about though. I was talking about hunters here in Colorado who are hunting on public land should know the boundaries of all the private land in the area they're hunting in.

Yes, you need to check maps, and if you see private land near the area you plan to hunt you better know where the private land boundaries are. If you plan to get close to it a GPS is a good thing to have. In my own case i'll mark my maps, and I try to stay a safe distance away. I don't know exactly where the lines are when i'm in the field, but i know about where they are, and don't even come close to them. I don't use a GPS, so I play it safe.

Going on private land, and saying you didn't know where the boundaries are will get you a ticket everytime if the land owner complains.

It is like that in several western states RASOB. Hunters must either know the boundaries, have maps, or one of the newer GPSs with property owner names listed.

Are you paying attention to the conversation??? We are talking about knowing what is private property!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know about trespass laws in Va. I was a cop for 15 years here!!!!!

I don't have time to go into all the volumes of levels of the trespass laws on the books here now. Please lets get back to the subject of knowing or not knowing what is private LAND!!!!! JEEEEEZZZZ

Actually, wasn't the original subject a humorous and light-hearted look at deer grazing on a backstop?:D

How many more days until hunting season...

...Deleted by CalHunter... I'll do my best to follow the rules or have an idea were I'm aloud and not.

One of the biggest trespassers I have on my land is a deputy Sheriff. He clear sees the posted signs and was told he was not allowed. Financial called the sheriff and let him know that his deputies break the laws. Will see if that works if not going to call dnr and let them charge him.