barnes original and sabots
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barnes original and sabots
any one have any experience with barnes 45/70 .458 originals in a orange mmp sabot in a white.504 cal muzzleloader i just ordered some in 300 gr and 400 gr to see what they can do. sometime firing a squib load is not always an option so would like to have a sabot combo to go to in those circumstances.i do have some of the original white super star sabots but want a better bullet and who knows how long we can still get them. thanks for the info!!
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any one have any experience with barnes 45/70 .458 originals in a orange mmp sabot in a white.504 cal muzzleloader i just ordered some in 300 gr and 400 gr to see what they can do. sometime firing a squib load is not always an option so would like to have a sabot combo to go to in those circumstances.i do have some of the original white super star sabots but want a better bullet and who knows how long we can still get them. thanks for the info!!
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Harvester Black Crushribs and a .458 are quite popular in over sized bores. Loaded OD is around .509 IIRC.
A word of caution though, that Barnes O is a tough bullet. The jacket is very thick and it likes speed for reliable expansion. IMO you would be better off with a Speer or Hornady 300gr .458 HP.
A word of caution though, that Barnes O is a tough bullet. The jacket is very thick and it likes speed for reliable expansion. IMO you would be better off with a Speer or Hornady 300gr .458 HP.
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yes i have shot them with a lot of success i'm just doing this to change it up a little just like to see what other bullet combos will do.especially nowadays with getting our shooting supplies it's just another option to fall back on. i am really curious about the 400 gr originals and how they group since the white shoot the heavier bullets so well. i'm not to worried about expansion as gm-54 eluded to i think if you put it where it belongs it will do it's job.
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.032 jacket
1600-1900fps minimum fps at impact for expansion
http://www.barnesbullets.com/informa...#faq_originals
Kinda doubt you will get there in a White if you choose the Spire Points. Its Kind of a waste to use a high BC bullet that isnt going to help you at longer ranges because the FPS has fallen too low. Seems silly to use a $1+ bullet that wont perform better than a 50cent bullet at that speed. If you had a Savage with 2300fps capability, they would be a great choice.
Good Luck
1600-1900fps minimum fps at impact for expansion
http://www.barnesbullets.com/informa...#faq_originals
Kinda doubt you will get there in a White if you choose the Spire Points. Its Kind of a waste to use a high BC bullet that isnt going to help you at longer ranges because the FPS has fallen too low. Seems silly to use a $1+ bullet that wont perform better than a 50cent bullet at that speed. If you had a Savage with 2300fps capability, they would be a great choice.
Good Luck
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