Another Blown Muzzleloader
12-09-2014, 06:37 AM
#21
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,605
Some smokeless powders create less pressure then current black powder substitutes when used properly", there is no proper way to use smokeless powder in a black powder or black powder substitute gun.
12-09-2014, 06:48 AM
#22
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 2,037
Some smokeless powders create less pressure then current black powder substitutes when used properly. As I can see in the picture it looks like a Maxihunter bullet. A full bore conical is not recommended to use with smokeless powders and BH209 for that matter.
Im not a fan at all of full bore conicals in muzzleloaders. That's pretty much why ive never got really excited about sabotless bullets. When using sabots it provides another safety factor for stupidity. The sabot will blow and release the pressure around the bullet. When shooting sabotless or conicals you don't have that extra safety. When the gun is double loaded or whatever theres no place for the pressure to release so you blow the gun up.
This guy is very lucky to of only lost two fingers. Im very happy to see the breech plug is still in place and the plunger. And I firmly believe you could do this same thing with any powder not just smokeless powder. That's why everyone should use a load mark on your ramrod to avoid any kind of double loading or mishaps like this.
Im not a fan at all of full bore conicals in muzzleloaders. That's pretty much why ive never got really excited about sabotless bullets. When using sabots it provides another safety factor for stupidity. The sabot will blow and release the pressure around the bullet. When shooting sabotless or conicals you don't have that extra safety. When the gun is double loaded or whatever theres no place for the pressure to release so you blow the gun up.
This guy is very lucky to of only lost two fingers. Im very happy to see the breech plug is still in place and the plunger. And I firmly believe you could do this same thing with any powder not just smokeless powder. That's why everyone should use a load mark on your ramrod to avoid any kind of double loading or mishaps like this.
12-09-2014, 06:58 AM
#23
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: south eastern PA
Posts: 15,436
So what is your point GM54? Of course I know there are smokeless powder muzzle loaders. I remember when they were illegal to use in PA. That however is not the point of the thread, we are talking about smokeless powder used in a gun not meant for it.
12-09-2014, 07:05 AM
#24
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,605
Ive owned 3 SMLs and i find them to be safer than MLs. A short started smokeless load is highly unlikely to ignite. Real BP will ignite regardless. Pyrodex will ignite regardless. Pacnor 45 SML barrels has been tested to well over 100Kpsi and all my loads are well under 50Kpsi.
What proof load have your MLs been tested with?
12-09-2014, 10:20 AM
#26
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,605
12-09-2014, 03:13 PM
#27
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Opelousas,La
Posts: 131
Even Blackhorn 209 tells you in their website not to use their powder in a plunger type action, much less smokeless. As Ron White says " you can't fix stupid" and this guy is darn lucky he didn't kill or blind himself.
12-09-2014, 05:59 PM
#28
Typical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The "empire" state-NY
Posts: 583
Are we absolutely certain this was a case of Hold my beer, watch this?
Has anyone considered that the guy simply didn't know what he was doing?!
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity.
Yes, one could argue that using gunpowder without the proper knowledge is stupid; that's semantics.
Many assumptions; what are the facts?
Has anyone considered that the guy simply didn't know what he was doing?!
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity.
Yes, one could argue that using gunpowder without the proper knowledge is stupid; that's semantics.
Many assumptions; what are the facts?
