New muzzleloader what to buy
 

Well moving back to kentucky. Ill miss the beaches but im a hillbilly at heart. Plus this is my tenth year hunting and ill be in the same spot i started in so long ago. Its special for me.

Iv bow hunted gun hunted both more then muzzleloader but every deer i dropped with the tc triumph i had. So im gonna get a new muzzy to expand my season.
I bought the triumph ohh back in 2009 or 2010 i think and loved it. With the omega bdc scope i dropped two deer at 250 yards 1 at 100 and two around 150. All but the 100 yard shot were dead in the heart that one i thought was 150 shot high hit its spine. All were takin with a 250 grain shockwave with 150 gr triple 7. I have no argument not to get another one as i loved it. But i have no issue considering a different muzzleloader. The one that pops out is the encore.
What are you all thoughts on what to get. Whats new in the world of black powder?

The pros i see with the triumph id want in a diff rifle is
1 accuracy
2 easy to clean i loved the removable breech plug and the speed breech. Made cleaning between rounds
3 durability it held up like a champ.
4 209 primars

Special fly by wire controlable sabots. COME ON THEY HAD EM ON GI JOE LOL

If I was looking for another break action muzzleloader, I'd seriously consider the Redemption.

Who makes it

I have 3 main hunting rifle other than my side locks, I have had many others. The ones I have kept are my Triumph and an Endeavor Encore and an Endeavor Encore Stock and action I put a Berger 45 1-28 28 inch barrel on.
My opinion: The Triumph is the best dedicated muzzle loader for me, I have a .270 and a .223 barrels for the Encores but don't use them much. I do a lot of my hunting with a bow, when I take a gun it is usually either the Triumph the 45 encore or the 54 side lock. Dollar for value the Triumph has it all over the encore unless you do need the capability of switching to a cartridge gun for some things.

i haven't bought one yet but i'm going to try one of those knight mountianeer thumbhole version i just haven't decided on what caliber yet? all american made!

my cva is about as good a rifle as i could ask for. i would definitely recommend them

You could also step out of the "normal" box and try the new Remington 700 Ultimate muzzleloader.

Reports are starting to show up now by seasoned shooters. However they are changing up from the recommended loads, actually more the bullets. It appears that the RU is shooting best with heavy charges of BH209 and Parker BE bullets. One shooter is getting less than MOA at 300yds, with another just starting to shoot his with all bullets (BE) touching at 100yds. This rifle would deserve a quality and higher power variable IMO.

Nothing wrong with the Encore platform rifles, I've owned a bunch of them. Easiest frame to modify of any muzzleloader and cheap. If you want a 2# trigger, just change the spring. The Triumph is a fine rifle also.

Just get another Triumph. No surprises that way.

There are numerous new models of muzzleloaders on the market. 99% of them out to 100 yards will do a good job for you. With some good optics you can push that envelope even further as some of our members have demonstrated. I've never shot a Triumph but I have read a lot of good things about them. It would not be a bad choice. But you have to look at... how many days a year are you going to hunt with the rifle, what do you expect for shots, and last... how much do you want to spend.

For instance, I purchased a CVA Optima for around $209.00 new. It will get any hunting job done out to 100 even further yards. And it did not break the bank. I consider it a quality rifle. Are there better rifles? Sure. How much you want to spend. If the Triumph appeals to you, then that would be a great rifle.

I would look at the new line of Knight rifles, the Ultra lite is a a bolt action 6lb hunting rifle that will get the job done

bigtim6656

I have a 100 reasons I would recommend a ne Knight Ultra-Lite, but this thread might explain a few of them...


http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/blac...ltra-lite.html


http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/blac...ening-day.html

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/blac...ltra-lite.html

Lots of good options out there... you would probably be well suited for another Triumph.

If it was me buying a new rifle, I would choose a Knight UltraLite. It just fits my hunting style and needs the best, and I love the quality and accuracy Knights have. Plus they're American made. :D

I can verify that they work...

This is a forum member on MM. He got this in Colorado - wish it were I

If you are interested in a break action the new Redemption has a lot to offer and is very easy to clean up. If you plan to use BH209 you will need to order the optional breech plug for loose powder. I' m very pleased with mine. If you prefer a bolt action, Knights new Ultra light or Mountaineer are great choices. Both are 100% American made and capable of MOA accuracy.

This is always a fun topic.

I'll try to keep this as short as possible. Do you want a lightweight (more recoil & muzzle jump) or a heavier (recoil absorbing) gun. Do you have long walks in & out where a light weight gun is beneficial? Do you prefer break action or bolt action? Have you considered smokeless?

THE GUN THAT FITS YOU BEST WILL SHOOT THE BEST!!

I have become a recoil weenie & prefer a heavier gun. My 2 main guns are my CVA APEX & my Knight Mountaineer. I recently went to a Slufoot smokeless conversion for my APEX. Velocities are much higher & the cost of powder is MUCH less. Of course it's only gonna benefit you if you can legally use it where you hunt.

Break actions are typically much easier to clean than bolt styles. It's just the nature of the beast. I love my Knight but there are more nooks & crannies that are harder to reach & clean. It's not a major difference, just a difference.

Every manufacturer has problems & most relate to customer service. If you have an issue with a brand, post the question on the board asking who should I contact & someone will have the est info for you. With that said, I now stay away from TC. Since S&W bought them, they have shortened their line of guns & their customer service is typically very very bad.

My Knight had to go back twice for the same problem. If you're shooting BH209 in a break action CVA you either need the BH breech plug or need to modify your factory plug.

Lastly, is price. The CVA Optima V2 is an excellent rifle at just over 200, The Accura V2 is the next step up. Then you have the Accura MR & the APEX. The last 2 shoulder & fit the same. The MR is lighter & the APEX has interchangeable barrels & can go smokeless with the proper conversion.

Yes, I love my CVA's & think they are the best bang for the buck, but again, THE GUN THAT FITS YOU THE BEST WILL SHOOT THE BEST.

I would suggest you go to a shop & find what you like & the call Carlos at Ed's Gun Shop 910-692-7936. He will have the best price, be the most helpful, & set the gun up the way you want if you prefer.....including sighting it in. Good luck - Greg

Here lately i had been thinking about trying a new rifle. It seemed i needed something new to play with. Cabelas has the Optima, and the MR on sale, and i had a coupon for $20 off, and shipping to the store would have been free. Another rifle i thought i would try is the Knight ultra-lite. It seemed i would purchase and try one of these rifles. What i ended up with, is a set of tires for my hunting rig.

That sounds familiar. Everytime I have some money saved up for a gun my Jeep needs something. My MR purchase turns into a Wolf purchase.

Handled the Redemption yesterday. For me it seems to shoulder very similar to the Triumph!

Buy one of these and throw the rest away :biggrin:

http://ultimatefirearms.com/

Yeah, but we have fish in our lakes.

I've heard that.

When I moved after retirement, the locals here told me there wasn't any fish in the lake. Ok, I'm still living here. My best year yet has yielded me 486 walleye from "a lake with no fish" :woot:

I tell everybody there's no elk in Colorado, but they don't believe me. :biggrin:

try a Knight Disc
 

All of he Knights that I have are minute of angel. It's hard to beat a gun that shoots less than a two inch group at 200 yards. I have found that bolt guns shoot better than break open actions. I spent thirty four years in LE and never saw a break open sniper rifle, Just saying. I would spend some time talking to people who own and shoot all types before I made my next purchase. Good luck

Well.. i don't know why, but that made me chuckle.

You need to talk to Carlos. He's an ex sniper, and you might be shocked at his 300yd targets shot with a CVA.

Maybe it's who's pulling the trigger that's more important than if it's a break open, or bolt action.

Let me add that I have no doubt that a bolt action is a more solid action for a sniper rifle.

However, that doesn't mean that a break action can't be very accurate. The average hunter, even if he's a great shot would probably not know the difference.

My best 200yd group with my last Pro Hunter was .750" and it would shoot less than moa all day. However I agree that the best long range rifles are bolts.

I can handle the recoil but iv got a bad right shoulder. So id say less recoil.
With my bad knee n hip i dont go any farther then i must but ill go miles if need be.
With movin back to ky i plan to go back to the spot i hunted 9 years ago. But i made a mistake went to a spot on dale hollow where it was dry cause of winter pool and i should have goin into the wood line on the creek. Shot distance prob less then 100 ysrds but maybe 200. To me the triumph has a range out to 250 and maybe farther. Ik i can put the round through it that far so its a must for any gun.
Im a big guy i can handle the gun weight. I like the breach open im not stuck on it.

I will look at the knights and the others. Though leaning toward the triumph and omega bdc scope again. It worked for me before why not now

I shoot the new Knight ultra lite at 6lbs with a 250 blood line bullet and a Harvester black crush rib sabot. I have taken deer out to 275 yards. Check my YouTube video Sniper Muzzleloaders by Knight rifles