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idahoron 08-27-2014 06:28 PM

The things you can see
 
I got a camera to look in my barrels. here are some pictures.

My Knight. Not much to see since you can take out the plug but I added it.
As a recap, the Renegades are Green Mountain Stainless 1-28 twist barrels.





Here is my two trigger Renegade.




My single trigger renegade



One thing I saw is the two trigger gun has the flash hole that goes straight into the powder. The single trigger gun it enters more on the side. I can't help but wonder why and if it makes a difference. One thing is for sure it is a fun new toy to play with.

smyrnagc 08-28-2014 01:29 AM

What kind of camera did you get to be able to do this Ron?

idahoron 08-28-2014 02:29 AM

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

BarnesAddict 08-28-2014 02:41 AM

Great find.

I already ordered one.

stripercrazy 08-28-2014 04:55 AM

wow
 
thats really cool

smyrnagc 08-28-2014 05:49 AM

Here's one on eBay for $13.29...Just bought it. Thanks for sharing Ron. I have never been able to get good bore pictures.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291185034665

cayugad 08-28-2014 06:21 AM

very good idea to have one if not for anything else but to check bores of rifles. I always worry about the bore of my rifles. Great pics and great idea!!

Muley Hunter 08-28-2014 07:09 AM

Do you use a scraper to clean out the flash channel on the Renegades?

They seem a little clogged, but maybe that just the way they look in a picture.

bronko22000 08-28-2014 05:44 PM

Wow that is pretty cool. And I can't believe the finish on the Renes' breechs. They are clean but looks like they are not very smooth. Could that be erosion?

idahoron 08-28-2014 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 4156496)
Do you use a scraper to clean out the flash channel on the Renegades?

They seem a little clogged, but maybe that just the way they look in a picture.

I think when they drill them that leaves the metal edge you're seeing. Here are some pictures of a new never fired Green Mountain 45 fast twist Stainless. I bought this barrel a couple years ago and have had it stored until I took it out to take these pictures.






idahoron 08-28-2014 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by bronko22000 (Post 4156611)
Wow that is pretty cool. And I can't believe the finish on the Renes' breechs. They are clean but looks like they are not very smooth. Could that be erosion?

I think it is tool chatter. If you look at the pictures above that barrel is new never fired stored. The only thing ever sent down the tube was the camera.

bronko22000 08-29-2014 12:58 PM

They must use a lot of pressure on the bit to drill/punch that flash hole. Looks like it always leaves a burr. Now I'm wondering if it's intentional to have better ignition by diverting the flame. BTW I will be ordering one of those cams too.

BarnesAddict 08-29-2014 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by bronko22000 (Post 4156730)
They must use a lot of pressure on the bit to drill/punch that flash hole. Looks like it always leaves a burr. Now I'm wondering if it's intentional to have better ignition by diverting the flame. BTW I will be ordering one of those cams too.

Stock at both Amazon and Bravolink just went up :biggrin:

idahoron 08-29-2014 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by bronko22000 (Post 4156730)
They must use a lot of pressure on the bit to drill/punch that flash hole. Looks like it always leaves a burr. Now I'm wondering if it's intentional to have better ignition by diverting the flame. BTW I will be ordering one of those cams too.

The thing that surprises me is they don't center the hole on all of them. I have a couple that are centered and the rest are just off to the side. I like being able to check the condition every now and again. I found the link to these cameras on another ML web page. I thought for 20 bucks I could not go wrong. Ron

Blackpowdersmoke 08-29-2014 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by idahoron (Post 4156624)
I think it is tool chatter. If you look at the pictures above that barrel is new never fired stored. The only thing ever sent down the tube was the camera.

You could be right Ron, but most modern processes are using TiCn (titanium carbonitrate) coated spade drills with "through coolant" capability for applications such as deep drilling. Possibly the spade insert needed to be changed and the operator ignored it or the programmer didn't add a few seconds of dwell in the program segment prior to retracting the drill once the final depth is reached. It's all about time and money with regard to manufacturing costs and they probably figure the average guy isn't gonna spend any money on something to look down his barrel with as long as it performs as expected.

BPS

idahoron 08-30-2014 07:26 AM

And they do perform as expected. Ron

Blackpowdersmoke 08-30-2014 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by idahoron (Post 4156963)
And they do perform as expected. Ron

Yes Ron, you're right. As long as the performance is there, who really cares if the bottom of the breech is a little scarfed up? It has no affect on the barrel's performance seeing as how it's at the bottom, but it could collect and hold residue that could cause rust to start if the owner doesn't do a thorough cleaning. That's why I'm a firm believer in "flushing" a closed breech barrel VS just swabbing them clean.

BPS


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