I don't know about all CVA muzzleloaders, but if you purchase a CVA Accura V2 you have 17 days to shoot it, if it is not the most accurate muzzleloader you have ever shot CVA will refund you your money. That is straight from the Mfg. It is a very broad guarantee, I am sure there are many people that have shot some very accurate rifles. I guess for the average shooter the gun is forgiving. I know I like mine, it will clover leaf at 100 yards.

I suspect that CVA provides an accuracy statement, ONLY to sell more firearms. Now in no way am I bashing CVA, but the guaranteed accuracy of 2" @ 100yds is easily matched by any other modern inline rifle. EASILY MATCHED. So their guarantee is nothing more than marketing, which some people fall for.

Just about any new and considered "modern in-line" rifle, is capable of 1" or much less groups.. Matters not rather its a CVA, T/C, Knight, Traditions or the new Remington Ultimate. I've set up a lot of different rifles for people here on my range. That said, not a single rifle left here not being capable of 1" groups at 100yds. With the right combination, which isn't hard to find, most all production rifles will shoot better than it's owner, the shooter.

T/C owners are very loyal. CVA owners are very loyal. Knight owners are very loyal. Traditions owners are very loyal and soon the new owners of the Remington Ultimate will become very loyal.

I had a good friend stop buy one day, who had to give up his old rifle. He was in a hurry and handed me two (2) boxes. One contained a new CVA Accura (not the V2) and the other, a Bushnell 3200 scope. He said he had to run and asked that I set it up for him as he was so busy, he didn't know if he would even be able to hunt or not. He bought the Accura, as it was very reasonable in price, available and he had some financial issues at the time. Longer story shorter, when he picked that rifle up, it was shooting 3/4" groups consistently at 100yds. By the way, he hunted twice with the rifle and took a deer both times, having NEVER shot his own rifle. Although he didn't want a CVA rifle, circumstances required him to purchase a reasonable priced rifle. He's still not a CVA advocate, but he likes his specific rifle.

I have many cases of shooters with Encores or Pro Hunters that indicated they had problems. After watching them, then shooting the rifle myself, they realized it wasn't the rifle. I've also had a number of Encore platform shooters that wanted more than what the currently had. Those are the shooters that made about $35 in easy, do-it-yourself modifications to their frames (something you CAN NOT do with other rifles). Of course these shooters shoot more than just a package of bullets each year.

The most accurate muzzleloader WILL BE a bolt rifle. Anyone that believes different is sadly mistaken. That's not to say that a break-open or drop won't or can't be accurate. Its something that just has to be realized, as there's to many contributors to break open rifles that can create inconsistencies.

There's a lot of great shooters here and they shoot hundreds, if not thousands of rounds each year, not just a couple packages. Yes, they are loyal too. We shouldn't turn new shooters off by our trivial bickering back and forth over rather a rifle cleans easier, or over a hinge pin.

You still don't get it. Look at post #12. I'm not the only one asking unanswered questions. Why don't you whine about him too?

The only guy ruining this thread after having reading it is d.winsor and he's the one that says everyone else is, LOL! I'm surprised you haven't told him to take a hike off a high cliff!!!

All fine and dandy guys, I still don't see any recommendations for the OP. doesn't anyone own a muzzleloader that they would recommend to a new muzzleloader shooter. No one has any load combinations, powder or bullets that they would suggest. Any muzzleloaders that have traits to avoid. I can't believe this thread has turned into a "beat d.winsor over the head thread". I hope the OP has not gotten tired of reading this, for now he might try to find a friendlier place to ask his questions. Maybe a place that will pay attention to his questions and not everything else.

I'm on about 30 forums. I've seen new guys to muzzleloaders who wanted to use a sidelock right away to hunt. Other wanted to use an inline, but wanted to use open sights. Others had to have a scope. When you throw in the different laws in different states, and all the animals you can hunt with a muzzleloader. It's good to know exactly what the OP wants before giving him an answer.

As I said. Once I recommend a gun and load. I'd like it be what he's looking for, and can use.

What I use and like has nothing to do with what I recommend for someone else.

I'm not saying what has been recommended already is wrong. It might be perfect, but we don't know right now.

d.winsor---The OP made a statement just like Pete said that was wide open and impossible to answer properly. When asked by Pete and in post #12 to answer some questions so he could be helped all the OP came back with is that he planned to deer hunt. It's no wonder all kinds of posts were made and a number were arguing with you for being so arrogant and trying to take over the thread and "school" everyone that most likely didn't need any schooling!

Well.. you know..you maybe should expect that might happen when you tell everyone they are not making good replies. It seems you are the one that began telling all the repliers, they weren't answering correctly, and attempted to direct the thread. Myself, i began to wonder how this forum managed to exist before December 2013.

Are you absolutely sure your answers are the best? What about all the available rifles that you have never shot? Shouldn't the OP shoulder a few rifles? Were you being over simplistic? Perhaps you think the moderators should delete all the replies to this thread except yours?

More info from the OP would help

What state?

Do you mind a heavier rifle?

Short or long length of pull?

Tree stand, still or stalking?

Budget including scope/sight cost?

The answers to many of those questions will be far more helpful in making a recommendation. Bullet choice is far more flexible if you can use sabots. Most will kill deer just fine until the range or load is greatly increased. Monolithic bullets can fair far better than Parker BEs but my deer still drop like they were tazed if i do my part.

I did not tell anyone they were not making good reply's, just to make some suggestions that may help OP select a muzzleloader, I made recommendations that would help anyone, new at it or not. At least to give them something to try that worked for me. My answers are the best for me, and information the OP can check out. I was not trying to manage this thread, a lot of people gave some information, others were arguing between themselves about other guns, and taking over the thread. Had nothing to do with the thread. As far as d.winsor being beat over the head, I have learnt to take that too, I can't believe the OP's question was so wide open that anyone with muzzleloader experience could not make helpful suggestions. I don't think any of my post were abusive or unkind, I think I told it how it was. The thread getting lost in arguments do not help the OP. I was not arguing, I never had an unkind word to say about anyone.









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