Twist rehashed
09-09-2013, 06:50 PM
#1
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Twist rehashed
Lets do the twist , I'm sure that brings back memories for semi 
But it brings back memories for me of all the numerous posts in the past on the 1:20 twist . A few who see the benefit and of course the majority who don't . Regardless of which side of the twist issue a person is on there is one thing that has never made sense to me yet .
And that is the fact that the 451 white has always had the reputation of being the most accurate shooter out there and it is a 1:20 twist . That's standard for the white yet any other brand with a 1:20 and the attitude seems to be the 1:20 is a big mistake . Anyway I guess I never figured out the reasoning there. Is it because of the conical versus sabot , meaning that its expected of White shooters to shoot conicals while most others shoot sabots? Guess it don't matter to me, I like the 1:20 whether its a Knight or a White
But it brings back memories for me of all the numerous posts in the past on the 1:20 twist . A few who see the benefit and of course the majority who don't . Regardless of which side of the twist issue a person is on there is one thing that has never made sense to me yet .
And that is the fact that the 451 white has always had the reputation of being the most accurate shooter out there and it is a 1:20 twist . That's standard for the white yet any other brand with a 1:20 and the attitude seems to be the 1:20 is a big mistake . Anyway I guess I never figured out the reasoning there. Is it because of the conical versus sabot , meaning that its expected of White shooters to shoot conicals while most others shoot sabots? Guess it don't matter to me, I like the 1:20 whether its a Knight or a White
09-09-2013, 07:07 PM
#2
Spike
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Virginia, near the Rappahannock where fresh water turns salty
Posts: 61
Have 3 ML in 45. My "conversion" has a 1/20 and shoots better than MOA. Other 2 are upgraded Remmy MLs, boltnose and plug upgrade. They hold their own. 1 in 20 should be really nice if Del new long 40X45 sabot becomes available. 10
09-09-2013, 08:55 PM
#4
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,605
I never understood the stigma associated with the fast twist 45. Nearly all the Rem/Sav 45cal conversions are 1-22 or faster and shooting sabots over 2600fps with no problem. Ive even seen guys using 1-18s without complaining about sabot problems. They also shoot sabotless jacketed bullets REALLY well once you get them sized correctly.
Sabotless rules in the summer heat!!!!! There is no way you will blow a sabot if you don't have one.
I think im going to blame it on T/C for sending out a bunch of crummy 1-20 barrels in the earlier models. They were quite often junk but it wasn't because of the rate of twist.
Sabotless rules in the summer heat!!!!! There is no way you will blow a sabot if you don't have one.
I think im going to blame it on T/C for sending out a bunch of crummy 1-20 barrels in the earlier models. They were quite often junk but it wasn't because of the rate of twist.
Last edited by Gm54-120; 09-09-2013 at 08:58 PM.
09-09-2013, 09:34 PM
#5
Typical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Ohio
Posts: 861
My 1:20 will shoot both saboted bullets and sabotless pretty accurate. I think that like GM said the TC 1:20 barrels that came out were not right and I think bullet selection was limited to very short pistol bullets which may have contributed to issues. Even though I can shoot 200 grain XTP's saboted very accurately. I don't know? But whatever the reason is it didn't turn out well for the most part.
To be honest, the majority of the public don't know what a White rifle is nor do they know or care what "twist rate" is. They know a .50 caliber has a 1:28" twist and it sounds "cool" to tell your buddies it has a 1:28" twist. These forums along with the knowledgeable people out there make up a very small percentage of actual shooters. The fact is, it would be a financial risk for a company to take on the 1:20" 45. caliber and they know it. Not saying it would or would not be a success, but it is no doubt a risk. I am a big fan of the .45 1:20" twist and my 45-70 conversion has been the most trouble free gun I have owned.
To be honest, the majority of the public don't know what a White rifle is nor do they know or care what "twist rate" is. They know a .50 caliber has a 1:28" twist and it sounds "cool" to tell your buddies it has a 1:28" twist. These forums along with the knowledgeable people out there make up a very small percentage of actual shooters. The fact is, it would be a financial risk for a company to take on the 1:20" 45. caliber and they know it. Not saying it would or would not be a success, but it is no doubt a risk. I am a big fan of the .45 1:20" twist and my 45-70 conversion has been the most trouble free gun I have owned.
09-09-2013, 10:02 PM
#6
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,605
Besides T/C's fubar, nearly all the 1-20 makers back then recommended a 155gr bullet and 3 pellets. They claimed similar MV as a 7mm-08. Well.... it might have produced close to that MV but it shot them like feces. 
To this day Cecil at Precision Rifle still claims you can not shoot a 1-20 accurately with ANY of his bullets over 1700fps. I guess he never tried one in a Knight Super DISC converted to use BH209. His 240gr and IIRC even his 260gr 40cal bullets shoot just fine at much higher fps.
The myth lingers on thanks to people like him.
To this day Cecil at Precision Rifle still claims you can not shoot a 1-20 accurately with ANY of his bullets over 1700fps. I guess he never tried one in a Knight Super DISC converted to use BH209. His 240gr and IIRC even his 260gr 40cal bullets shoot just fine at much higher fps.
The myth lingers on thanks to people like him.
09-10-2013, 04:23 AM
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Besides T/C's fubar, nearly all the 1-20 makers back then recommended a 155gr bullet and 3 pellets. They claimed similar MV as a 7mm-08. Well.... it might have produced close to that MV but it shot them like feces.
To this day Cecil at Precision Rifle still claims you can not shoot a 1-20 accurately with ANY of his bullets over 1700fps. I guess he never tried one in a Knight Super DISC converted to use BH209. His 240gr and IIRC even his 260gr 40cal bullets shoot just fine at much higher fps.
The myth lingers on thanks to people like him.
To this day Cecil at Precision Rifle still claims you can not shoot a 1-20 accurately with ANY of his bullets over 1700fps. I guess he never tried one in a Knight Super DISC converted to use BH209. His 240gr and IIRC even his 260gr 40cal bullets shoot just fine at much higher fps.
The myth lingers on thanks to people like him.
09-10-2013, 04:58 AM
#8
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,605
I almost got a steel framed Traditions 45cal in 1-20 from their website's "discount" refurb deals, whatever section. I just wanted to check one out and nobody else was still offering a 1-20 45. I heard they had problems too but "being me" i wanted to see for myself. Plus steel frame break actions which are ML only are fairly scarce.
I missed out by a day or two. They either removed them or sold the last few. I did get a BUNCH of rebranded Parker BEs though at an awesome price. Boy.....do those shoot good.
I missed out by a day or two. They either removed them or sold the last few. I did get a BUNCH of rebranded Parker BEs though at an awesome price.
Boy.....do those shoot good.
09-10-2013, 09:13 AM
#10
Typical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Ohio
Posts: 861
I think that the trouble also goes beyond just twist rate and into calibers. It is difficult to get people to see the advantage of the .45 let alone start talking about twist. I remember when I first switched over to a .45 there were people making comments about how it was not a big enough gun to kill a deer adequately. I also think that kind of thinking has been influenced by the companies that failed with the .45 in the past along with other factors I'm sure.