I had that thought the first time SL told me about these Lehighs, but decided I would try them anyway, since I have killed numerous hogs, a Texas Dall sheep, and a some really good deer with them. I have yet to loose an animal or even have an animal run over 75 yards once hit with them. The meat was still in good shape and I feel that they made a very quick humane kill and that is what it is really all about. They are a very good bullet.

What is the twist rate of a NULA? I did not know they were that slow...

I know the operation of this type of bullet is hard to visualize and maybe understand but one thing you should know it is not new. Europeans have been using these type bullets long before and using much smaller rifles to get the job done.

It really took me awhile to buy into the bullet also but after using it now for several years - all I can tell you is it works for me.

NULA is a 1-32 twist and a 300gr is a bit rough over 2000fps. It might work but i use the faster powders in the NULA with lighter bullets. The Savage is a cream puff by comparison with starting loads of N120 or Reloder7 and a 325gr FTX.

Im only guessing but i would bet its possible to get the Lehigh 305gr in the 2200fps range without too much effort.

Wow!! - I did not know it was that slow, so you are probably right - it might be to slow...

2200 - should not be a reall problem - I am shooting them at 1950 with 120 T7.

Also remember I am loading them in a sabot and they are an extremly smooth loading. I really am impressed with the bullet.

One of the big differences between it and the normal 300 grain Bloodline is the nose of the bullet. It is stronger and thicker. It will operate as designed down to around 1100 fps - which easily gets me to 200 yards...

I have no doubt they work.

However, assuming you put your shot forward of the diaphram, ask yourself what animal will these bullets kill that non-fragmenting bullets would not.

I've see a few deer shot with Remington Copper Solid slugs. They have petals as well. They work too. But do they kill game any "deader" than a 50 cal solid slug? I don't think so.

I will concede that this kind of bullet may perform better on game if a marginal hit is made. There's always a chance for some petals to hit the vitals, even if the shank does not.

You are exactly right!!! The real advanatage of this bullet is the speed at which it does it's job. If you can create enough SHOCK to the animal, especially and specifically the nervous system, this shock can overide the animals Flight system. This massage shock can and does cause the animal to collapse on the spot or near the spot. And there is no doubt other bullets that may do or have the same effect. I believe the Lehigh/Bloodline offers the bigger chance of getting this done a higher percentage of the time. A timely clean harvest with little to know tracking is always my goal.

I have posted this before and it is probably getting old but this is my definition of a near perfect bullet. I was originally developed around a Nosler Partition and now has been altered to relfect some of the characteristics of the Lehigh/Bloodline.

The Hunting bullet should be the most lethal big game hunting bullet available. The bullet design should allow the bullet to penetrate 2” to 3”, through bone or tissue, before it starts to expand the petals. After the bullet starts to expand or shed it petals it should adversely affect all the surrounding internal organs. The combination between the expansion of the bullet and/or release of the petals and the creation of hydrostatic shock produces a massive wound cavity within the vital area (internal organs) that can be 13” to 15” long. I believe that in most case the bullet should pass through the body providing a secondary exit hole for blood and debris. This massive wound cavity results in the animal dropping fast since most go into shock after such a tremendous blow. Those animals that don’t go down immediately will soon succumb to blood pressure loss and/or organ failure producing a quick ethical kill. Using a bullet matching this description will normally result in an animal that goes down fast so you can enjoy the results of your hunt without having to track the wounded animal after the shot.

Again you are correct - the animal is dead - but how fast does the animla become dead??? that can be the difference... Here in Idaho and the areas that I hunt... if you do not achieve a quick collapse you may have some real problems getting the animal out especially at my age and if it were and elk...

Agree... but I would rather not count on that..

I see what you're saying.

I've always been in the camp that believes that if velocity is equal, a bullet that holds together while expanding at least somewhat, is better than a bullet that fragments.

With a substantial shank left to penetrate and hopefully exit the animal, the shedding of petals probably does no harm and may help in certain circumstances.

I'll continue to shoot good old Maxiballs in my Renegades and FPBs in my inline. These bullets are pricey enough for me and have never given me a reason to look for more knockdown power.

yep!

We do what works for us...

I have plenty of the 275gr 458s still. I will give those a chance first and see if i can get them close to 2200fps in the Savage.