You probably cleaned your gun, like many of us do. But there are some out there who treat a muzzleloader like a smokeless rifle and think "oh stainless" and don't bother to take proper care of it. Since CVA sells to a lot of those new to blackpowder they might have thought the extra protection would be a plus , and the color adds to it overall look versus the stainless look. Just a guess on my part.

i also test products on them as well. In 2 weeks of testing with a barrel sitting out through a handful of rain storms only the barrel lug had some rust spots on it. Hell i actually have a barrel outside thats blued, been sitting out there for close to 7 months and the rust isnt that bad, sure made it ugly but it would still perform.

But those are treated with products you were testing, so it shows the effectiveness of Birchwood Casy but it also shows the rust on the 416 stainless In the bottom photo , whereas many think stainless won't rust.

So why the coating then is my question. If that stuff chips, scratches, and whatnot it will look stupid. If they warranty the coating they may have created a headache for themselves when it could of been avoided by just not putting it on there. Time will tell for sure.

those were untreated if i remember correctly. I have some other tests on my other computer that i never got to uploading.

Those that think SS won't rust, simply have the wrong notion... STAIN LESS. There is no miracle for stopping rust other than the owner being responsible for care to their product.

Devil, when you're finished playing with those barrels I need one for the underhammer build. Make me a deal. ;)

Yep Chad, more tests are needed to figure out what will happen with this coating. I love the color but if it doesnt hold up.... Whats the point. May as well just use spray paint.

LOL semi, if i knew what was wrong with the barrels i'd let you have a couple. The SS barrel as you can see what the hinge pin drilled wrong.

I pretty sure that was a Birchwood casey test . Go check your Powerbelt forum, I think it was on there.

I would like to see the black MR myself.

Not a problem. I'd be cutting it off in front of the breech assembly anyway.

ok i found it. The SS barrel was treated with montana xtreme gun oil.
http://www.frontiermuzzleloading.com...evention-tests

I do have no oil tests, just have to find where they are located.

That's a nice gun. Nice review. Very much appreciated. Thanks
Sorry to hear about the paint chip. The muzzle area is probably the most vulnerable for chips since its a violent area.

Where those Parkers the 300gr Match Hunters? Parker has a new line of Ballistic Extremes coming out including a new 300gr version. They dont have as high of a BC as the MH lineup but should expand a bit easier. He also has a new 275gr MH.

They sure are nice shooting bullets.

Nice review Rafsob.
I personally am no fan of any type of weathershield, I like a SS Barrel, there easy to clean inside and just need minor care on the out. One of my buddys has the TC Triumph with with weathershield, his is comming off in other places along with near the muzzle.
I dont think they can really make anything stick to the end of a muzzle and last, the high temps and powers are pretty distructive. CVA has great customer service, but Im guessing the appearance and wear and tear aspects of the ML wont be covered under warranty. Even if they were to replace it with another one Im sure the next one would do the same thing.
I know it looks good to some but for me there's no need to coat a SS barrel with anything.
Again nice report, nice groups and nice ML!
(BP)

I couldn't agree more. If they would make this gun in a stainless version I would be all over it. Don't want a coating on my barrell. Same reason I don't have a Triumph.

I was told they cover the finish on the barrel, and the camo from peeling on the stock.

Not sure how they plan on doing this? A new barrel will get pretty costly for them.

I don't have any chips yet, but if I get them, i'd like the option of having the finish removed. Cheaper for CVA, and then the barrel wouldn't come back to them again. I think most guys would take that option.

Dudley just emailed back. Warranty will cover it. What he had to say.

Yes, the warranty will cover that. Apparently some were coated without proper removal of the oil. We will replace any barrel that has this issue. Just instruct them to call our Customer Service Department at 770-449-4687

Most likely because they are cheaper.:wink:

and good shooting rafsob!!!

HA

doubt it, cva has been really good the past few years with putting a nice soft recoil pad on the rifles.

Well whatever the reason for the coating, their process either sucks or I got a Monday morning barrel!!!

Just got back from my hunt property and will try to get in touch with CVA. Seems Muley man is all bloviating on calling CVA for me. If ya want to get something done, ya gotta do it yourself! ;)

What are you talking about?

bloviating is to talk aimlessly or boasfully. Kinda like a politician.:s4:
I assumed that is how he used the word.

I know what the word means. I want to know why he said it to me.

My waterpump and radiator went out this morning, and I don't have the money to fix them. I'm in no mood to be called names.

This destroys my hunts.

When I posted about the chipped coating on my new CVA you said you would call the company and made it sound like you knew someone there. So if you were blowing smoke (bloviating) to sound important, then that would qualify.

Bloviating is what one does and is not a name!

I believe he said "He'd call them up" like if it was his gun and that happened to him if your talking about the post on the first page.

Exactly.

Not the first time he's turned around what I said. A insult is easier than asking me what I meant.

I do know Jon contacted them because he posted that Dudley emailed him and said it would be covered and that some were coated without all the oil being removed .

Rafsob , On both my Triumphs they have the weathershield, with no flaking. Wish they were stainless though... But it makes me wonder why CVA would cover that nice stainless with that crap coating. Is the MR offered without the coating? Hope CVA handles your issue quickly

It stands to reason the coating is used to reduce cost; boost profit. Right or wrong, that is my guess.

How would it reduce cost on a SS barrel Ron?

I guess I would really like to know what would make BPI think that a stainless barrel needed a colored weather shield finish. Weather Shield will eventually wear or chip and when it does how do you fix it. If it were left as a regular stainless barrel it would be easy to maintain over time.

The more I think about it the less I do like it... It just reduces my options to much.

As someone has already suggested there are many different 416 stainless formulations and a company can spec what they might want - so is the 416 that BPI is using a really dull or really bright natural finish that needs to be covered?

I know I am cynical about BPI but are they really trying to hide something that is not normal with a normal weapons grade stainless that we would expect to see?

Probably got a container load of blemished barrels cheap and the coating was the best marketing option. ;)
Maybe they should have coated the inside of muleys with several coats near the breechplug area so it isn't bigger there where the bullet sits.

Well, there is no 25" ML barrel on any other model. They couldn't have all been seconds.
I don't think they are hiding anything. They were just trying to come up with enough changes to call it a mountain rifle.

TC uses this coating too. Why not say the same things about them?

I'll admit i'm not happy about the barrel being looser at the charge, but I sort of suspected it. The inexpensive Wolf I have has been the only barrel i've had that wasn't that way.

That includes 6 other CVA's, Omega, 2 Renegades, 2 GPR's, and a Tradition Ultra Light.

I guess the easiest cure is to use sabots. I don't feel right about using a scope in ML season, so just hunting the rifle seasons from now on makes me feel at a disadvantage to the rifle hunters, and i'd prefer that to having an advantage in ML season. It also lets me use sabots.

Even though the coating hasn't chipped for me. It could in the future. Does anybody know if the coating could be removed?

My guess is by covering the barrel, steps in finishing the barrel may possibly be eliminated. Not saying, just saying.

This was my guess too but I don't know the steps that are in the finishing process of stainless steel? Is it easier to bead blast a barrel or coat it with weatherguard? Is there more to it than just bead blasting? I don't know. I really do think that it is just another thing to market.

OK your off the hook pal. My baddddddddddd!!!!! :hit:

Now to figure out how to get in touch with them.

You are correct TC does use a Weather Shield product on the barrels - but none of theirs are stainless steel they are all mild steel that can also e blued.

Knight coats the outside of their barrels also with a clear coating.

Ok, no harm done. Good luck getting it fixed.

I'll try and stay positive about the coating, and take care of it. I don't love, or hate the color. It's just what it is.