A Knight Time headache
#1
Normally my Knight Disc rifle with the Lehigh Conversion is just a pleasure to shoot. Boy!! not today. I regret loosing my temper today. There was a country working installing a snowmobile trail sign out on the road when the rifle made me upset. And what I was calling that rifle, and the tone and volume I was using... I sure hope now he didn't think I was talking to him. Although he did hurry putting that sign up and left.

How could such a pretty rifle make me so angry you ask? Well I swabbed the oil out of the breech and barrel like normal. I was shooting 100 grains of BlackHorn 209, a 260 gr Harvester Scorpion PT with a MMP HPH-24 sabot, and Remington STS for starters. I'd popped two primers in the rifle to get it toned, and then loaded it up.
Shot the first round. All sounded fine. Like normal. Went to get the primer out.. and it would not come out. I shook and wiggled that rifle. No go, that primer was in there. I noticed it had backed out of the breech plug but for some reason the ejector was holding on to that primer like it was the winning lottery ticket.
So back in the house for the C tool and allen wrench to take the bolt out. Get the bolt out, and the C tool falls out. Then the bolt spring snaps closed and locked. Got the Lehigh adapter off the bolt and still had to pry that Remington Primer off the face of the bolt. Busted a thumb nail trying to pry it off. Then had to hold the C tool in my mouth, and spread that knob and bolt apart. Got it in the bolt and reset the C tool. And then for some reason the bolt would not go back in the rifle. No matter what I done. This is where the real blasphemer started. I bet that country worker was getting nervous at this point.
By now I was trying to calm down asking for one good reason why I should keep this rifle and this adapter kit. I figured a 100 yard walk and back to the target might give me time to relax. Just one reason was all I wanted!!

OK.. I felt a little better. I mean things do happen. Right?
Cleaned the bolt, springs, adaptor, every thing real good. Finally got it back together after resetting the C tool twice, and got the bolt in the rifle. Loaded the rifle, fired... PLOOP!! Misfire! @-/*%^ and another stuck primer. This was about all I could take!!
Debating whether to wrap that rifle around a tree or not, I took it all apart again, and checked it. Every thing looked good. Everything was clean.
So I disassembled the bolt and got the primer out. Being very careful with the C tool this time. Back together and Shot #3 sounded normal.
Loaded again, shot #4 sounded OK but again, STUCK PRIMER!! I was about fit to be tied.
I debated just putting the rifle away, but instead took the bolt out, removed the primer, and then changed primers. I put the Remington STS primers away and got some CCI 209 primers out from the house.
I then loaded and shot four more rounds.

#8 was again, a stuck primer with the CCI. I'd had enough!! I decided to clean the rifle out there, and enjoy the beautiful weather, and then put that rifle back in the rack.
5-8 might have been a stringer because of the heat, or the load.. I was firing without letting the barrel cool. I was the one that needed to cool down, not the rifle. Also I wanted to push that rifle and see if I could make the primer fail again. Which I finally did.
While the group was pretty good for 100 yards... this is not a rifle I would hunt with until I was sure that the Lehigh adapter would not jam on me like it did. When I did the final cleaning, I really scrubbed everything good and clean. Maybe in a week or two, I will bring the rifle back out and see if it does all of this again.

How could such a pretty rifle make me so angry you ask? Well I swabbed the oil out of the breech and barrel like normal. I was shooting 100 grains of BlackHorn 209, a 260 gr Harvester Scorpion PT with a MMP HPH-24 sabot, and Remington STS for starters. I'd popped two primers in the rifle to get it toned, and then loaded it up.
Shot the first round. All sounded fine. Like normal. Went to get the primer out.. and it would not come out. I shook and wiggled that rifle. No go, that primer was in there. I noticed it had backed out of the breech plug but for some reason the ejector was holding on to that primer like it was the winning lottery ticket.
So back in the house for the C tool and allen wrench to take the bolt out. Get the bolt out, and the C tool falls out. Then the bolt spring snaps closed and locked. Got the Lehigh adapter off the bolt and still had to pry that Remington Primer off the face of the bolt. Busted a thumb nail trying to pry it off. Then had to hold the C tool in my mouth, and spread that knob and bolt apart. Got it in the bolt and reset the C tool. And then for some reason the bolt would not go back in the rifle. No matter what I done. This is where the real blasphemer started. I bet that country worker was getting nervous at this point.
By now I was trying to calm down asking for one good reason why I should keep this rifle and this adapter kit. I figured a 100 yard walk and back to the target might give me time to relax. Just one reason was all I wanted!!

OK.. I felt a little better. I mean things do happen. Right?
Cleaned the bolt, springs, adaptor, every thing real good. Finally got it back together after resetting the C tool twice, and got the bolt in the rifle. Loaded the rifle, fired... PLOOP!! Misfire! @-/*%^ and another stuck primer. This was about all I could take!!
Debating whether to wrap that rifle around a tree or not, I took it all apart again, and checked it. Every thing looked good. Everything was clean.
So I disassembled the bolt and got the primer out. Being very careful with the C tool this time. Back together and Shot #3 sounded normal.
Loaded again, shot #4 sounded OK but again, STUCK PRIMER!! I was about fit to be tied.
I debated just putting the rifle away, but instead took the bolt out, removed the primer, and then changed primers. I put the Remington STS primers away and got some CCI 209 primers out from the house.
I then loaded and shot four more rounds.

#8 was again, a stuck primer with the CCI. I'd had enough!! I decided to clean the rifle out there, and enjoy the beautiful weather, and then put that rifle back in the rack.
5-8 might have been a stringer because of the heat, or the load.. I was firing without letting the barrel cool. I was the one that needed to cool down, not the rifle. Also I wanted to push that rifle and see if I could make the primer fail again. Which I finally did.
While the group was pretty good for 100 yards... this is not a rifle I would hunt with until I was sure that the Lehigh adapter would not jam on me like it did. When I did the final cleaning, I really scrubbed everything good and clean. Maybe in a week or two, I will bring the rifle back out and see if it does all of this again.
#3
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,037
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From: Minnesota
We all have those kinds of days. Really not a bad 8 shot group at all for you being a little hot.
One time I was trying to load some hogs in a trailer by myself and it just didn't go too well atall. Finally the neighbors came over to see what was wrong at our place. They live over half a mile away.

One time I was trying to load some hogs in a trailer by myself and it just didn't go too well atall. Finally the neighbors came over to see what was wrong at our place. They live over half a mile away.


#4
I have never had a primer stick in that rifle before. And today it was just one thing after another... The rifle is a good shooter, without doubt. But these kind of frustration days, I can do without. That is a real kind offer there SS.
flounder, I used to haul livestock for a living. Hogs and young calves can be the worst things to load. I was known for talking to them once in a while too. Plus I once had an over 550 pound boar chase me through a stockyard runway one night. He wanted to eat me. I could have won an Olympic high fence clearing contest that day. The things I was screaming that night... just glad my mother never heard me talk like that.
flounder, I used to haul livestock for a living. Hogs and young calves can be the worst things to load. I was known for talking to them once in a while too. Plus I once had an over 550 pound boar chase me through a stockyard runway one night. He wanted to eat me. I could have won an Olympic high fence clearing contest that day. The things I was screaming that night... just glad my mother never heard me talk like that.
#6
Boone & Crockett
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 10,918
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From: River Ridge, LA (Suburb of New Orleans)
Quite a mystery Cayugad. Why did it behave like that if it never did so before?
Could there be a burr in there somewhere? Is there any chance you were using Winchester or Remington primers in previous sessions?
Could there be a burr in there somewhere? Is there any chance you were using Winchester or Remington primers in previous sessions?
#7
When I shot the Winchester primers I had misfires all the time. I was told they were not strong enough and that was my problem. So I purchased Remington STS and CCI 209 primers. I was shooting the CCI but wanted to try the Remington today. Well they are not going to be used.
I checked for a burr Semisane and could find nothing. No reason why that thing should grab a primer and not let it go.
I checked for a burr Semisane and could find nothing. No reason why that thing should grab a primer and not let it go.
#8
Cayugad
Funny you should mention this.. the last time I shot the U-Mag the primer were sticking something fierce. It was miserable to shoot... Even shooting just the bare primer resulted in a stuck primer. Finally i gave up - pulled the hammer assembly and the breech plug. I ended up flushing it with windex. Cleaning it with a Q tip - the primer pocket that it is and put it back in the gun. Everything then worked just fine...
My speculation... after sitting for almost a year in the safe the BP, the flash channel and the flash hole were plugged with really old oil.. almost like it had thickened and harden in there. I am betting if i poured water down the barrel it would not have made it through the BP...
Like I said though after I cleaned it at the rock pit and reinstalled it - it was like new again...
Some days!!!!????
Funny you should mention this.. the last time I shot the U-Mag the primer were sticking something fierce. It was miserable to shoot... Even shooting just the bare primer resulted in a stuck primer. Finally i gave up - pulled the hammer assembly and the breech plug. I ended up flushing it with windex. Cleaning it with a Q tip - the primer pocket that it is and put it back in the gun. Everything then worked just fine...
My speculation... after sitting for almost a year in the safe the BP, the flash channel and the flash hole were plugged with really old oil.. almost like it had thickened and harden in there. I am betting if i poured water down the barrel it would not have made it through the BP...
Like I said though after I cleaned it at the rock pit and reinstalled it - it was like new again...
Some days!!!!????
#9
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Cayugad
Funny you should mention this.. the last time I shot the U-Mag the primer were sticking something fierce. It was miserable to shoot... Even shooting just the bare primer resulted in a stuck primer. Finally i gave up - pulled the hammer assembly and the breech plug. I ended up flushing it with windex. Cleaning it with a Q tip - the primer pocket that it is and put it back in the gun. Everything then worked just fine...
My speculation... after sitting for almost a year in the safe the BP, the flash channel and the flash hole were plugged with really old oil.. almost like it had thickened and harden in there. I am betting if i poured water down the barrel it would not have made it through the BP...
Like I said though after I cleaned it at the rock pit and reinstalled it - it was like new again...
Some days!!!!????
Funny you should mention this.. the last time I shot the U-Mag the primer were sticking something fierce. It was miserable to shoot... Even shooting just the bare primer resulted in a stuck primer. Finally i gave up - pulled the hammer assembly and the breech plug. I ended up flushing it with windex. Cleaning it with a Q tip - the primer pocket that it is and put it back in the gun. Everything then worked just fine...
My speculation... after sitting for almost a year in the safe the BP, the flash channel and the flash hole were plugged with really old oil.. almost like it had thickened and harden in there. I am betting if i poured water down the barrel it would not have made it through the BP...
Like I said though after I cleaned it at the rock pit and reinstalled it - it was like new again...
Some days!!!!????


