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Old 06-17-2012 | 01:27 PM
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At least not in Traditional guns. Maybe for a centerfire or even modern saboted bullets, but the mantra speed kills isn't the whole story in sidelocks. I prefer energy over speed
Here's why I say that:
TC maxi ball , maxi hunter or other conicals average about 1400 fps leaving the muzzle at over 1600 -1700 fp energy with a 100 gr load and in a 50 cal. Slow but devastating
On the other hand a round ball leaves the muzzle at over 2000 fps, quite a bit faster but not near as heavy therefore much less energy.
Hence faster isn't always better. Of course a round ball will do the job within its given range but that not the point. The point is the mantra that is so popular "speed kills" as if faster is always better isn't always the case
 
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Old 06-17-2012 | 02:03 PM
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Well the heavy conical with the rainbow trajectory as you pointed out is very slow but it always amazes me at the energy they have, and the penetration they obtain. Even at long ranges, if you can figure the trajectory and get that hunk of lead there, it will kill something.
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Old 06-17-2012 | 02:15 PM
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As long as you can deal with the trajectory and recoil. It's hard to be a big hunk of lead.
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Old 06-17-2012 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Muley Hunter
As long as you can deal with the trajectory and recoil. It's hard to be a big hunk of lead.
I can deal with the trajectory. The recoil on the other hand is a different story

And I agree, it's probably hard to be a big hunk of lead.
 
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Old 06-17-2012 | 04:17 PM
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Recoil is the only reason I don't use them. I'd get the GPH with a 1-32 twist, and blast out those big conicals like IdahoRon does, but the recoil would tear me up.

So, I have to settle for the 250gr Thor as a second choice.
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Old 06-17-2012 | 04:31 PM
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1874sharpsshooter

I know - I know... but still I really do prefer speed...

Example here is a 460 grain Bull Shop shot with 90 grains of T7-3f... and yes I am pushing it faster than most souls. But again I want the velocity and the trajectory... the recoil is not a factor.

Check this ballistic sheet... note the energy say 200 yards ad the time in flight to get to 200 yards...



Then this is a ballistic sheet for a lighter .458-300 Bloodline shot with 120 grains of BH at a much greater velocity...

Again check the 200 yard velocity and time in flight....

So I will say 'Speed Warks Faster'


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Old 06-17-2012 | 04:39 PM
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Energy is higher everywhere with the lighter bullet too.
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Old 06-17-2012 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 1874sharpsshooter
At least not in Traditional guns. Maybe for a centerfire or even modern saboted bullets, but the mantra speed kills isn't the whole story in sidelocks.
In my inlines I prefer a fast flat shooting bullet. That's why I started off. With the clarification above. Then made the comparison between RB and conical in a caplocks. I prefer a conical in my caplock
 
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Old 06-17-2012 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 1874sharpsshooter
In my inlines I prefer a fast flat shooting bullet. That's why I started off. With the clarification above. Then made the comparison between RB and conical in a caplocks. I prefer a conical in my caplock
And not to tick anybody off... I would much prefer a conical to a round ball when hunting - mostly for the animals sake...

I think that is the main reason the the Power Belt was born... it really is nothing more than a elongated round ball and because of the added weight it does carry greater energy a greater distance.
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Old 06-17-2012 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sabotloader
And not to tick anybody off... I would much prefer a conical to a round ball when hunting - mostly for the animals sake...
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I agree completely even though I will do some hunting with my RB gun, in 54 cal since it is a1:65 twist. I just have to hunt an area where I can get close( like less than 100 yards)
 
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