settle for both, awesome performance and speed = Thor

I think a good quality rifle has a lot to do with it. That, and inlines nowadays are generally very well made and shoot a lot of combinations well. The 3 inlines I have (2 CVA's and a Knight) all shot minute of deer at 100 yards out of the box. However, one of the CVA's took quite a bit of load development to get it down to 1.5 MOA which I prefer when hunting. I'm still working on the Knight to find some consistent 1 - 1.5 MOA loads, though it shoots 2.5 MOA with almost any load.

Amen Bronko!
There's no way I could ever remember the load data for all of my 19 ML's if I didn't have it documented!!!

BPS

Me either. I use 5.5 x 11" targets with the load data noted and keep them in a file for each gun.

Sharpshooter


This statement is posted on another sight... I think it is pretty typical of the a lot of the "average Joe's" thought process and probably a valid thought until the disease bites...

That statement is obviously taken from the midst of a CVA bashing festival. Now why would a Knight man stoop to such things?

Average Joe would be well advised to look at the top end of CVA's product line. He'll not likely find either those or a Knight Mountaineer in Wal-Mart. That isn't meant to suggest the Knight is on even par with an Apex or even an Accura.

One of these days, Alice!

Any chance to bash brand they will take it. Knight tried an entry level also and it flopped big time. T/C has an entry level as well.
People have to realize that although muzzleloading is a passion for many of us it is just a gun for a short season for many. I sometimes get the idea that people are more than just a little elitist about the sport and that type of attitude I could do without. Everybody is not passionate about the same things in this world and that is a good thing.

I take a little bit of an exception to this as the TC's and Whites that I have are quality guns, so while I shoot Knight I also purchase and shoot others... I will admit that I do vastly prefer bolts over breaks and I do even prefer plunger guns versu break opens

Actually this individual is trying to buy a Knight but the price of the gun is the hold up other than he has found a a new Wolverine that he can get for a little more than the least expensive CVA/Traditions.

But the point being the price of the rifle is one of the most looked at reason that rifles are sold. And the marketing folks for CVA/Traditions know this and produce a rifle just for this market. Somebody has to fill the market needs. This individual is really very typical of the majority of the ML shooters in the West. What can I get cheap that will do the job for 9 days a year. And if you are looking for a cheap rifle CVA and Traditions fit the bill. Not to say that the rifle will not do the job for those folks for those few days.

You are correct... the 'average joe' should look at the other end of the CVA/Traditions line - but then he would not be the 'average joe' correct?

i better not say anything about one of my members knight disc not being able to shoot BH209.

Why? several Knights can not shoot BH well without modification. On the other hand the new ones can even if you are using a plunger gun... I would not advise it but several do.

Any DISC can shoot BH very well if you are willing to get the correct breech plug - even the original DISC will shoot BH with the Orange FPJ - a bit dirty but it will shoot.