What twist for .50?
#12
It will be mainly for sabots. At this point sizing and shooting sabotless doesn't have a lot of appeal.
It looks like Douglas barrels in .50 can be had in 20, 24, 30, 34, and 36. So if that's the case my options that I would consider most are 24 or 30, and I'm probably leaning more towards the 30. I need to talk to Ron at SMI again and see what I can find out.
Grouse, I thought long and hard about going with .45. In the end I decided that I have exactly 10 .45 bullets and boxes of .50. If I had more 40 bullets and 45 sabots around I would go .45 for sure.
It looks like Douglas barrels in .50 can be had in 20, 24, 30, 34, and 36. So if that's the case my options that I would consider most are 24 or 30, and I'm probably leaning more towards the 30. I need to talk to Ron at SMI again and see what I can find out.
Grouse, I thought long and hard about going with .45. In the end I decided that I have exactly 10 .45 bullets and boxes of .50. If I had more 40 bullets and 45 sabots around I would go .45 for sure.
#13
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There are a couple of things that can fine tune the twist. one is the exact caliber of the bullet the other is the velocity coming out of the muzzle.
I ran a few through the Greenhill program to demonstrate what I am talking about , and to deal with some misconceptions what regulates the twist is a combination of length and diameter weight has nothing to do with it but velocity does it is one of the controlling factors.
A .458 dia. bullet with a velocity of 1800 and a length of 1 inch is an exact match with a twist of 31 per inch.
a .450 dia. bullet at a velocity of 1800 with a length of 1 inch is an exact match with with 30 per inch.
a 430 dia. bullet with a velocity of 1800 is an exact match of 27 per inch
now if you increase the velocity it reduces the twist if you lower the velocity it requires a faster twist.
A 40 caliber bullet traveling 1800 fps 1 inch long exactly matches with a twist of 24 but a 40 caliber bullet 1 inch long traveling 2800 fps exactly matches a twist of 24.
One of the things you need to remember about this is that a bullet that is under stabilized will wobble and turn end over while a bullet that is over stabilized has a 15 % tolerance before it becomes unstable.
I ran a few through the Greenhill program to demonstrate what I am talking about , and to deal with some misconceptions what regulates the twist is a combination of length and diameter weight has nothing to do with it but velocity does it is one of the controlling factors.
A .458 dia. bullet with a velocity of 1800 and a length of 1 inch is an exact match with a twist of 31 per inch.
a .450 dia. bullet at a velocity of 1800 with a length of 1 inch is an exact match with with 30 per inch.
a 430 dia. bullet with a velocity of 1800 is an exact match of 27 per inch
now if you increase the velocity it reduces the twist if you lower the velocity it requires a faster twist.
A 40 caliber bullet traveling 1800 fps 1 inch long exactly matches with a twist of 24 but a 40 caliber bullet 1 inch long traveling 2800 fps exactly matches a twist of 24.
One of the things you need to remember about this is that a bullet that is under stabilized will wobble and turn end over while a bullet that is over stabilized has a 15 % tolerance before it becomes unstable.
#14
Thanks for that. It helps explain things some. My only question is where you wrote
"now if you increase the velocity it reduces the twist if you lower the velocity it requires a faster twist.
A 40 caliber bullet traveling 1800 fps 1 inch long exactly matches with a twist of 24 but a 40 caliber bullet 1 inch long traveling 2800 fps exactly matches a twist of 24."
I'm going to assume that one of those is a misprint, though it's possible I'm just reading it wrong. But I would assume the same bullet at faster speed would require the faster twist?
But then I was think I would be better to go with 1:24 twist than would be to go with a 1:30.
"now if you increase the velocity it reduces the twist if you lower the velocity it requires a faster twist.
A 40 caliber bullet traveling 1800 fps 1 inch long exactly matches with a twist of 24 but a 40 caliber bullet 1 inch long traveling 2800 fps exactly matches a twist of 24."
I'm going to assume that one of those is a misprint, though it's possible I'm just reading it wrong. But I would assume the same bullet at faster speed would require the faster twist?
But then I was think I would be better to go with 1:24 twist than would be to go with a 1:30.
#15
One more thing you may want to consider. Im not sure which Douglas barrel SMI uses but.....
Douglas offers Premium XX grade and Premium Air Gauge barrels too. The Premium XX is what Melvin uses on the NULAs and is well worth the extra IMO. Its only $10 more and if you have to wait for a custom twist....why not get a Premium XX grade.
As far as a 1-24, its probably fine in a quality barrel. Some OEM Savage barrels left a little to be desired due to rough tooling. Mine seems fine but it certainly isnt in the same league as a Douglas or a Pacnor.
Douglas offers Premium XX grade and Premium Air Gauge barrels too. The Premium XX is what Melvin uses on the NULAs and is well worth the extra IMO. Its only $10 more and if you have to wait for a custom twist....why not get a Premium XX grade.
As far as a 1-24, its probably fine in a quality barrel. Some OEM Savage barrels left a little to be desired due to rough tooling. Mine seems fine but it certainly isnt in the same league as a Douglas or a Pacnor.
Last edited by Gm54-120; 03-31-2012 at 10:17 AM.
#19
Thought about it a lot yesterday. I do believe I'm just going to go with the 1:32. It was pointed out to me that people smarter than I probably already put a lot of thought into it before choosing this twist for their barrels. It was the best choice for SMI and NULA, I don't see any reason I should change it. I may ask about the premium barrel. At this point, what's $10?
As for the Bergara barrel, the reason I'm not going that route is that I'm not completely sure I can make it work with a ramrod on the barrel, something I really want. Also Bergara barrels aren't set up for open sights. MN says I have to hunt with open sights during ML season. The cheapest I can find to have the barrel drilled is $30/hole. I also don't have any .45 stuff, so by the time I get the sights on and buy some bullets and sabots and all that stuff, I'm only saving a little.
As for the Bergara barrel, the reason I'm not going that route is that I'm not completely sure I can make it work with a ramrod on the barrel, something I really want. Also Bergara barrels aren't set up for open sights. MN says I have to hunt with open sights during ML season. The cheapest I can find to have the barrel drilled is $30/hole. I also don't have any .45 stuff, so by the time I get the sights on and buy some bullets and sabots and all that stuff, I'm only saving a little.



