Long 14" + is good for me. Yall just got them short lil stubby southerner arms

I cant speak for the others but yeah my arms are a little shorter than avg. I would say.

X2, anything shorter than 14 is uncomfortable for me.

It's not so much that the length of pull is so long that it makes the rifle not fit well. I am 5' 10" and I don't have long arms. I feel the rifle shoulders nicely for me. The problem is that when the rifle is shouldered the longer stock puts the eye piece of the scope too far from your eye.

I have not handled one, but i can see what your saying about the actual design and not the LOP. it appears due to the design, that the scope is mounted forward a lot more than other break actions.

I like my Knight Vision, but have had problems with the firing pin igniting the primer. The rifle is back at Knight right now being fixed. It is not a pretty gun (kinda looks like a shotgun) but it shoots really good and I like the way it shoulders. If Knight fixes the problem, then I will be very happy with it. It has no blowback at all and shoots very accurately.

By the way, I got mine NIB for $160.....