Hunting snacks
11-20-2011, 08:03 PM
#23
Fork Horn
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Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: West Virginia
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Pepperoni rolls sounds great! My wife makes a pretty mean pumpkin roll and I've really been trying to cut back.
11-20-2011, 08:05 PM
#25
Nontypical Buck
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Location: Northern Chautauqua Co. N.Y.
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In all seriousness Human Pee wont spook Deer, make a Mock Scrape, Pee in it and I bet a Buck will come in and Tear it Up.
11-20-2011, 08:11 PM
#26
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
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I know that's not true of bears or coyotes. I assumed after all these years that it applied to all animals.
If our pee doesn't smell like a human. Why are we worried about our scent at all? Which of course we have to.
If our pee doesn't smell like a human. Why are we worried about our scent at all? Which of course we have to.
11-20-2011, 08:19 PM
#27
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
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In a way you may be right depending on the experience of the deer and how old your pee is. This was a good response from another forum that makes sense.
got that question over on the deer forum on the Christian Outdoor Fellowship of America (COFA, of which I am co-founder).
Here was my answer:
Again, as a person who has either done a lot af personal research on whitetails and elk, or who has read a lot of research papers on those animals, let me set it straight.
Urine is different in different species, due to the chemicals found in what they eat. Thus, those animals (such as predators and humans) that eat meat, have a lot more protein in their urine, than those animals that are primarily vegetarion ("grazers" like elk, "browsers" like whitetails).
It has been found that a deer's sense of smell is about 1000 times better than that of a human.
Urine breaks down within hours into ammonia and other substances, due to bacterial action and being exposed to air.
Part of the answer to the question lies in the amount of scent (human urine) left behind, and how long it has been there, the less urine left, and the longer it has been there, the less it smells like human urine, and the more it smells like ammonia (which is non-threatening).
So - deer and elk can tell the difference between the urine of something that has recently eaten meat, and somehting that has not eaten meat.
Deer use their eyes ther ears and their nose to detect danger. But, unlike the other tow senses, when a deer smells danger - the response goes directly to a part of the brain that often causes an immediate respone- rather than a response to further investigate - so that it can verify that what it sees, hears or smells is dangerous.
The question then arises - Does high protein urine alarm deer and elk?
The answer to that lies in the fact that deer and elk routinely come across urine of predators, thus it may cause them to become "aware" of the fact that a meat eater was in the area. But, it may not cause them to become alarmed, if no other predator-related scents (such as dander, perspiration oils and odors, feces, or breath odors) are associated are detected.
In a study of how whitetails react to buck urine, doe urine, pre-estrus urine, estrus urine, post estrus urine and human urine, the most positive responses were to human urine. I suspect this was a "curiosity" response.
If a deer needs to be aware of everything in its home range - in order to survive - then it has to learn about everything in that home range, which means it probably investigates "new" or "unfamiliar" things (like human scents) - in order to learn. And - as long as there is not a sight or sound to further alarm the deer - it may not spook.
got that question over on the deer forum on the Christian Outdoor Fellowship of America (COFA, of which I am co-founder).
Here was my answer:
Again, as a person who has either done a lot af personal research on whitetails and elk, or who has read a lot of research papers on those animals, let me set it straight.
Urine is different in different species, due to the chemicals found in what they eat. Thus, those animals (such as predators and humans) that eat meat, have a lot more protein in their urine, than those animals that are primarily vegetarion ("grazers" like elk, "browsers" like whitetails).
It has been found that a deer's sense of smell is about 1000 times better than that of a human.
Urine breaks down within hours into ammonia and other substances, due to bacterial action and being exposed to air.
Part of the answer to the question lies in the amount of scent (human urine) left behind, and how long it has been there, the less urine left, and the longer it has been there, the less it smells like human urine, and the more it smells like ammonia (which is non-threatening).
So - deer and elk can tell the difference between the urine of something that has recently eaten meat, and somehting that has not eaten meat.
Deer use their eyes ther ears and their nose to detect danger. But, unlike the other tow senses, when a deer smells danger - the response goes directly to a part of the brain that often causes an immediate respone- rather than a response to further investigate - so that it can verify that what it sees, hears or smells is dangerous.
The question then arises - Does high protein urine alarm deer and elk?
The answer to that lies in the fact that deer and elk routinely come across urine of predators, thus it may cause them to become "aware" of the fact that a meat eater was in the area. But, it may not cause them to become alarmed, if no other predator-related scents (such as dander, perspiration oils and odors, feces, or breath odors) are associated are detected.
In a study of how whitetails react to buck urine, doe urine, pre-estrus urine, estrus urine, post estrus urine and human urine, the most positive responses were to human urine. I suspect this was a "curiosity" response.
If a deer needs to be aware of everything in its home range - in order to survive - then it has to learn about everything in that home range, which means it probably investigates "new" or "unfamiliar" things (like human scents) - in order to learn. And - as long as there is not a sight or sound to further alarm the deer - it may not spook.
11-21-2011, 05:18 AM
#28
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 1,607
Deer dont accociate Humane Pee with a Human, it's just PEE. PEE somewhere near your Stand some time and see what the Deer do when they come in and if they find it, they'll mabey smell it, if not they'll just keep going. If they take off at 900 Milions Miles and Hour you better go in and have your Pee checked out.
In all seriousness Human Pee wont spook Deer, make a Mock Scrape, Pee in it and I bet a Buck will come in and Tear it Up.
In all seriousness Human Pee wont spook Deer, make a Mock Scrape, Pee in it and I bet a Buck will come in and Tear it Up.
11-21-2011, 08:01 AM
#30
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,473
I eat 2 hardboiled eggs and a banana in the morning before I hunt, and open two CLIF bars and wrap them inside a handkerchief. The two CLIF bars are all I need for an all day hunt, even if on the move the whole day. Sometimes I only eat one. I just don't get hungry when hunting for some reason, and this boy can really eat. Never had to take a dump in the woods either, and I almost always hunt all day. My body just "knows" what I'm doing and adjusts accordingly, except for the pee. If I am still hunting all day, I bring a quart of water and drink most of it 'cause it's easier to pee at most any time. If I am stand hunting I drink very little.