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dirt1008 11-09-2011 05:31 AM

Breech plug?
 
First off I'd appreciate it if EndeavorShooter didn't reply, to this thread or any of mine for that matter. But my question is how tight do you tighten your breech plug. I use Anti-seize not Teflon tape if it matters.

Gimpy 11-09-2011 05:35 AM

I always just snug them good.

donjose 11-09-2011 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by dirt1008 (Post 3873193)
First off I'd appreciate it if EndeavorShooter didn't reply, to this thread or any of mine for that matter. But my question is how tight do you tighten your breech plug. I use Anti-seize not Teflon tape if it matters.


Wow :hail:

dirt1008 11-09-2011 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by Gimpy (Post 3873199)
I always just snug them good.

Not sure about your gun but mine came with a pretty chinsy wrench. Do you think I should get a socket that fits it or just snug with the supplied wrench?

sbuff 11-09-2011 05:53 AM

I use a nut driver for my TC X7 and just snug it. I leave a drop or two of oil on the threads if I don't use teflon tape.Helps to take it out if using powders like t7.

Gimpy 11-09-2011 05:54 AM

Doesn't have to be real tight. Just snug.

Muley Hunter 11-09-2011 06:13 AM

I have a CVA. I tighten it as hard as I can with the end of two fingers.

sabotloader 11-09-2011 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by dirt1008 (Post 3873193)
First off I'd appreciate it if EndeavorShooter didn't reply, to this thread or any of mine for that matter. But my question is how tight do you tighten your breech plug. I use Anti-seize not Teflon tape if it matters.

Through the years i have found it best to just snug the nose if the breech plug to the face of the shelf in the barrel. I use a 1/4" ratchet, extension, and deep socket for insertion and removal.

Another thing I might suggest since you are using grease is to make sure that you, and you probably do, clean the threads in the rifle very each cleaning as the grease can harden and give you a false feeling of being snug. If any of that makes any sense...

Grouse45 11-09-2011 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by dirt1008 (Post 3873193)
First off I'd appreciate it if EndeavorShooter didn't reply, to this thread or any of mine for that matter. But my question is how tight do you tighten your breech plug. I use Anti-seize not Teflon tape if it matters.


dirt1008,

I think the safest way to tighten your plug is until it reaches the shelf. In simpler terms, just tighten the plug the whole way. This will keep any gases or fouling from coming around your threads.

Anti-Seize is a great product and it works perfectly. I quit using it because it was messy. All the different greases are messy, thats why i use the tape now. Either way, tighten the plug the whole way down to seal the breech plug threads.

I will also note, when using BH209 i dont use either most of the time. After claning the plug i wipe down with oil and put back in the gun. No tape or grease.

ADVWannabee 11-09-2011 07:45 AM

Never thought about this being that important as I screw it in until it quits. Both my guns come with a cheap breachplug wrench and I just tighten as much as I can by hand which isn't much because when they bottom out they stop. I hope I am not doing it wrong.

dirt1008 11-09-2011 08:06 AM

I really appreciate all of the replies. I thought about using the tape but being a plumber I remember an old timer telling me that with the added thickness of the tape he stretched the threads on a valve one time. Now I know it was a brass valve and this is stainless but I just tend to stay away from it. I will say sabotloader you're definately correct on the grease hardening. I clean my threads regularly an have been using the copper based never seize rather than the silver. I believe it's rated for a higher temperature not that it matters but it seems not to harden as much.

Muley Hunter 11-09-2011 08:14 AM

I use TC Super Lube Anti-seize with PTFE. It's clear and not messy at all. I hardly know it's there. It rubs me wrong to not have something on the threads, and tape is not an option for me. I like the BP to screw in and out easily.

MountainDevil54 11-09-2011 08:43 AM

Finger tight

EndeavorShooter 11-09-2011 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by dirt1008 (Post 3873193)
First off I'd appreciate it if EndeavorShooter didn't reply, to this thread or any of mine for that matter. But my question is how tight do you tighten your breech plug. I use Anti-seize not Teflon tape if it matters.

Awwww aren't you special???

Your right because i couldn'y help a guy like you. if you cant figure out how tight to tighten your BP, i mean there is a shelf in there for a reason, it is to make it dummy proof. or for some anyway.:confused0024:

If you do not want someone to post in your thread, start your own board and then deny membership.

pluckit 11-09-2011 11:24 AM

The breech plugs that I have that need a wrench have a bar that you use with the wrench. I don't use the bar. I hand tighten the plug using the wrench without the bar. It doesn't have to be any tighter then you would tighten a Quick Release Breech Plug, the one that doesn't need a wrench.

dirt1008 11-09-2011 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by pluckit (Post 3873420)
The breech plugs that I have that need a wrench have a bar that you use with the wrench. I don't use the bar. I hand tighten the plug using the wrench without the bar. It doesn't have to be any tighter then you would tighten a Quick Release Breech Plug, the one that doesn't need a wrench.

That's the same type I have. Good to know

DROX 11-09-2011 12:53 PM

I tighten mine just until the action locks with a primer installed. This is usually a quarter turn prior to being completely seated. Why? If I seat it all the way in, i get so much blowback. The other way, I get none! I do use the pink tape stuff.

Grouse45 11-09-2011 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by EndeavorShooter (Post 3873374)

Your right because i couldn'y help a guy like you. if you cant figure out how tight to tighten your BP, i mean there is a shelf in there for a reason, it is to make it dummy proof. or for some anyway.:confused0024:

That really shows how stupid you really are. At least 75% of Black Powder shooters and BP Substitutes people tighten the plug down then turn it off the shelf. Right or wrong that's what they do. So you really are the Dummy on this one. :guiness::lmao::lmao:

flounder33 11-09-2011 05:04 PM

Personally I think having it all the way in keeps both the breech plug and the "shelf" (new term to me) from erroding. I have always used the grease but one of these days I am going to use the tape, not because the mess bothers me so much, but because I feel it creates a better seal between the barrel and the plug.
I have never heard the statistic that 75 percent of the shooters loosen the plug a bit after tightening it, (nor do I know how one would get that number), but I don't think it is the right thing to do.
For me triple 7 seems to make the plugs come out the hardest.

sabotloader 11-09-2011 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by flounder33 (Post 3873606)
Personally I think having it all the way in keeps both the breech plug and the "shelf" (new term to me) from erroding. I have always used the grease but one of these days I am going to use the tape, not because the mess bothers me so much, but because I feel it creates a better seal between the barrel and the plug.
I have never heard the statistic that 75 percent of the shooters loosen the plug a bit after tightening it, (nor do I know how one would get that number), but I don't think it is the right thing to do.
For me triple 7 seems to make the plugs come out the hardest.

With the plug backed off - or less than snug, if the gas can find a path to excape between the shelf and the nose of the plug - gas cutting is a possibility...

Grouse45 11-09-2011 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by flounder33 (Post 3873606)
Personally I think having it all the way in keeps both the breech plug and the "shelf" (new term to me) from erroding. I have always used the grease but one of these days I am going to use the tape, not because the mess bothers me so much, but because I feel it creates a better seal between the barrel and the plug.
I have never heard the statistic that 75 percent of the shooters loosen the plug a bit after tightening it, (nor do I know how one would get that number), but I don't think it is the right thing to do.
For me triple 7 seems to make the plugs come out the hardest.

After reading many threads over the years, 75% is on the low side. And no you won't find a in stone number any place. You are good at finding old stuff so I'm sure you can do the math if you choose. BTW- mostly all the DWB''S did that in the past, I would bet most of them still do. I've been with them and witnessed that. But things always change.

Muley Hunter 11-09-2011 05:55 PM

What's the point of doing it?. Do they think it will stick if they leave it tight?

Grouse45 11-09-2011 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3873660)
What's the point of doing it?. Do they think it will stick if they leave it tight?

Not really sure but probably. Hopefully people are getting away from doing that. IMO, does not need to be done with any powder.

flounder33 11-09-2011 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Grouse45 (Post 3873652)
You are good at finding old stuff so I'm sure you can do the math if you choose. BTW- mostly all the DWB''S did that in the past, I would bet most of them still do.

You talk about Endeavor treating people disrespectfully, I think it takes one to know one.

Grouse45 11-09-2011 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by flounder33 (Post 3873677)
You talk about Endeavor treating people disrespectfully, I think it takes one to know one.

You just did it the other night about the guy shooting powerbelts. You know EXACTLY what i'm talking about. I got your number as well. Again, say what you want to me i don't care.

flounder33 11-09-2011 06:43 PM

You know Grouse, here is something for you to think about. During the time you were banned we didn't have any of this crap on here and the day you came back it starts again.
Coincidence? I don't think so.

builder459 11-09-2011 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by flounder33 (Post 3873692)
You know Grouse, here is something for you to think about. During the time you were banned we didn't have any of this crap on here and the day you came back it starts again.
Coincidence? I don't think so.

You noticed that also! :rolleye0011:

Grouse45 11-09-2011 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by flounder33 (Post 3873692)
You know Grouse, here is something for you to think about. During the time you were banned we didn't have any of this crap on here and the day you came back it starts again.
Coincidence? I don't think so.

I agree, you are correct. You believe in members being treated like idiots. You also believe in instigating those situations just like original post on this thread to me. And you also got the puppet on page with you as well. It makes all the sense in the world to me. Very good point on your part. And im done replying to your games on this thread. You and the puppet can have at it, but i'm not interested in it.

BTW- Builder, i don't see Muley down grading anyone like you.

Muley Hunter 11-09-2011 07:22 PM

That's why I have him on ignore. Is he reading my posts?

HEAD0001 11-09-2011 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3873225)
I have a CVA. I tighten it as hard as I can with the end of two fingers.


I do mine exactly the same way. Two finger tight with the tool that came with the rifle.

Only thing I can add is that the threads and shelf need to be completely clean. SabotLoader taught me that one.

I also only use anti-seize. I don't like the extra tightness the tape seems to add to the plug. Tom.

Grouse45 11-09-2011 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3873715)
That's why I have him on ignore. Is he reading my posts?

Of course he is, he cant resist.

Muley Hunter 11-09-2011 07:25 PM

What gun is that Head?

Muley Hunter 11-09-2011 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by Grouse45 (Post 3873717)
Of course he is, he cant resist.

I didn't think he had enough character to keep me on ignore. Oh well. At least I can't see his dribble anymore.

builder459 11-09-2011 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3873715)
That's why I have him on ignore. Is he reading my posts?

Why wouldn't i read your posts lol.. you have me on ignore only because i call you on your BS. like another member did and you ignore him also.. how does it feel to be treated like you treat others? oh and your reading my posts also. don't pretend not to be :s4:

HEAD0001 11-09-2011 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3873718)
What gun is that Head?


I meant it in reference to my Knight LRH. But actually I only go two finger tight on all my MZ breech plugs, and all my flash liners in my FL's, and nipples on my percussion rifles. Along with using anti-seize on all the above. Tom.

Muley Hunter 11-09-2011 07:36 PM

Never tried it on nipples. I usually use a wrench on them.

builder459 11-09-2011 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3873719)
I didn't think he had enough character to keep me on ignore. Oh well. At least I can't see his dribble anymore.

Old dude your doing it again lmao.. i never said i was putting you on ignore... geezzzzzzzzzzzzzz. your losing it man and fast!!

builder459 11-09-2011 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by Grouse45 (Post 3873717)
Of course he is, he cant resist.

Mr banned, mind your business:poke:

Muley Hunter 11-09-2011 07:50 PM

LOL..I can see Builder making post after post, but I don't see what he says.

Hopefully he's annoyed at being ignored.

builder459 11-09-2011 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3873738)
LOL..I can see Builder making post after post, but I don't see what he says.

Hopefully he's annoyed at being ignored.

Yah right!! COUGHHHHHHHHHH:D


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