He said.

A - Not all CVA bores are .500
B - My Genesis is .5015 and I can load them just fine.



I said CVA's have a .500 barrel. He said they don't, and his non CVA has a .501 barrel and loads the bullets fine. What does that have to do with what I said? .5015 is not .500.

Forums are funny sometimes.
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My Sentiments Exaclty!!

Absolutely Nothing !!

You said it yourself, you "assume" that all CVAs are .500. That's not the case. I have a Wolf setting in my cabenit that's .502. Which is why I said, don't make blanket statements.

I don't care if you find it hard to believe that I can get a .503 down, it doesn't change reality.

The question of my barrel being a Bergara barrel is irrelevent. .501 is .501 regardless of the manufacturer. I don't know why you can't understand that.

What does it have to do with what you said? You said all CVAs are .500 and you can't use FPBs. That's not true, not all of them are and you can use them with some CVAs.

Mentioning of my gun was just an example where even a tight bored .5015 can still work with FPBs. I have a CVA that has a larger bore than the Genesis.

Math are reading is hard I guess for some... :bash:

.500 is a tight bore. I made no mention of your gun. I said TIGHT BORES!

My Wolf was .500. All CVA's seem to want the .500 Thor.

Whatever anyway. Everybody wants to argue. Pick away at the smallest details. This forum is getting as bad as Claudes.

Bergara Barrels " on all CVA guns just to clear this up LOL" run bores of .500 to .501

The FPB is extremely tight in the .500" CVA Bore. It takes a good 4 or 5 wacks on the bullet starter to get the bullet down. I dont like that during hunting. Thor or Powerbelt for me as well.

See..........how can I be influenced by what Jon says, when we don't even agree.

Coughhhhhh!!! :eek2:

check out the lawsuits against knight for copyright infringement.

This goes on all day long

Have some chicken soup and go to bed. Cough is getting worse.



btw..You didn't back up your cough.

Or.....


Please turn your head to the side and cough...


Thank you, please get dressed :s2::s2:

That is incorrect as well. Need to get studied up before you fling these statements out there like you know what your talking about. H&R manufactured and marketed the Huntsman inline muzzleloader for 15 years before it went bankrupt. I hardly call that a speck in the dust or an experimental deal. Knight likes to lay claim of inventing the inline but they're full of it. They just took what had already been invented and capitalized on it. Hey that sounds familiar to the initial intent of this thread.


H&R Huntsman History


Harrington & Richardson invented the Modern Inline Break action muzzleloader back in 1970. First marketed as 12 gauge muzzle loading shot gun, followed by a 45 cal and 58 cal rifle in 1971. These guns worked like the modern ones, but used the old no. 11 percussion cap as 209 primers
were a long way from muzzle loading then.

Many people converted them over to musket cap, and later to 209, which is quite easy. The nipple on these guns is quarter twenty eight and nipples of musket size are readily available, and adapters to fire 209 can be had easily.

The Huntsman of this era was equiped with a rebounding and plunger type firing pin which is special to the Huntsman designed to fire caps. However, the plunger firing pin works fine with 209 primmers, as well.

In their day, the H&R's stood alone, were unique and ahead of their time. In 1978, the Huntsman was upgraded. The transfer bar firing safety system was incorporated and replaced the rebounding hammer, but it still used the plunger type firing pin. The breech plugs on these guns
changed over the years, most have push in breech plugs, some of the latter ones had threaded breech plugs. The threaded ones used a special nipple breech plug wrench to remove the breech plug for cleaning . The push in type was an H&R pattened design, which was pushed in and sealed with a neoprene o-ring. An early version had a nylon ring, as well. These are easy to remove, you will never have a stuck breech plug. You simply open the breech and push out the plug with your ram rod.

These breech plugs have had their critics and are considered unsafe by some and potentially could be as the breech plug is only secured when the breech is closed. But the same is true with a single shot breech loading cartridge gun. If you open the breech to quickly after a misfire, and the misfire is hang fire, you will be in for a world of hurt. Although, that can happen with modern breech loaders and unfortunatly has
with both.


The Huntsman ramrod is also unique, as it is the telescoping type. They actually are quite strong and made of brass with a wooden handle.

The original rod came with cleaning attachments and was longer as the Barrels on original models were 28 inches long and the 58 cal could be had with a special order 32 inch barrel, it is a powerful rifle.

In 1985/86 the Huntsman model came to an end with the Bankruptcy of H&R Arms Co. In 1986 the company was reorganized under New England Firearms, NEF, which in turn became known as H&R 1871. Then Marlin Firearms bought NEF/H&R 1871 in Nov. 2000. It is now known as H&R 1871 LLC.

In 2002 NEF/ H&R 1871 introduced the new and greatly improved Huntsman. Built with quality, as good if not better, than the original and with a long list of improvements, and worthy of carrying on the Huntsman
tradition.

I have no need to back up anything, since i coughed and that was all. you can assume what you like old timer. doesn't mean what you assume i meant is correct. you remember that saying, regarding people who assume lol:biggrin:

Even a baboon knows what you meant.

I took a test once, and I beat a baboon.

So h&r has a break action inline muzzleloader in 1971, correct?

yes sir, they did or at least in 1973 they did... look at the sale ad on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-HARRING...item5d30be0ecf

so, it looks to me like H&R needs to sue everyone!!!!

The only reason we have all these lawsuits is because vampiric shysters thrive on them.

I say petition your states DNR to start a shyster season. The world will be a better place.

As usual your wrong lmao...you assumed and made a @#% out of yourself!!if what you assumed is what i meant, i would be the first to tell yah!!!:action-smiley-099:

You sure like to argue. If you don't know what cough means, then find out. You're the one who's looking foolish.

Just so you'll know the next time you use it.
cough is like saying bullsxxx. Which is the same as saying..you're lying, or you're full of crap.

Now..go away. I'm not in the mood for your games.

Again for the record.(cough) me that likes to argue, now that is really funny coming from someone like you that would argue the color of the sky, then change his mind the next day:s1:

okay guys, let the thread that was put here to draw away from Knights below average service, DIE!!!

Why would you make that statement? Right now they are behind and nobody is making excuses for it. They are busy, and orders are shipping late. That's just the plain old facts.

I'm tired of this. I didn't start any argument. You talk about the record. Lets look at the record in this thread.

In post #11 (my first post) I made a post not directed at anybody. I made a simple statement about how I felt. I was not debating, and I certainly wasn't talking to you.


In post #12 you posted to me. This was how you started your post to me.

"Geezzzzzzzz, why do you debate about things that make no sense lol."



I don't start arguments. I simple respond to being called out.

Now, go away kid. You're bothering me.

GEEZZZZZZ, there you go again. you need to quit cherry picking and look closer. you restarted the discussion lmao!! now you go away old timer!!

It's like talking to a rock. A dumb rock.

There is only ONE start, and you did it.

Start then stopped and then after me saying nothing, you in fact made one of your stupid comments and re opened it. these are the facts,please go argue and change your mind with someone else.. i have forgotten more than you will ever know.. and what i know does not change according to which way the wind is blowing..does the wind in your ear, affect your thinking!! it sure looks that way to me!! now shew fly!!

How do you know what you knew if you forgot it?

Dumb as a rock.

Have someone explain what ..Start..means. I'll show you what end means. This is my last post to you. Lets see you do the same.

Here's an idea. Ignore me, and i'll ignore you, because I don't come to forums like this squabble with blown up egomaniacs like you.

COUGH, cough,cough!!:s1:

I won't read anymore of your dribble. I can see you make posts, but I can't read them. I never thought i'd ever do this, but that's how annoying you are.

This message is hidden because builder459 is on your ignore list.

Now that statement is comedy coming from you.. and i know you will read this, you can't help yourself :hit: