White Muzzleloaders?
 

On every muzzle loader forum its pretty much Whites are the top of the line performers(and hard to get). My question is how can Doc White's shop and or knowledge out perform modern technology and big money company's? Also whatever little tricks he had up his sleeve have others followed suit.

Pretty dang good question.

Doc built his reputation on his rifles. All I know is the ones I have are shooters. They always go off. And they can throw old fashion big lead bullets down range with a lot of authority.

"Passion" for the sport and quality rifles and the knowledge needed to make them perform the way he wanted them to.

I have one. It's just the basic model ( Bison ) and I love it.

I like the simplicity and pure function but I doubt they would sell if lined up againts the " flash " of what the big guys produce.

It's more of an aquired tast and the " sight them in and hunt " crowd would not appreciate the beauty.

To me modern technology does not insure quality products. We see that in a lot of things on the shelves today.
My opinion is that doc didn't listen to market analysts and pencil pushers. His passion for the sport pushed him to develop a great quality muzzleloader. There is a lot of information that can be gleaned by going to his web site for those who are interested.

X2, his site is full of interesting information.

I only have one white rifle, wished I had a couple of more. It would be the last ML that I would part with. It is a superb rifle for shooting big concials bullets. Mine has a 1:24 twist, makes me wonder if that doesnt play a big part in its accuracy.

Whites were made using quality barrels, at least some were Wilson.

Not just barrels... hold a White and its like you have a battle tank. Balanced, heavy duty, all parts work in unison with the others, they really are a fine built rifle. Before I got in to the White craze, people such as Batchief Nimmrodder, Underclocked, and other used to show off their rifles. Then they would show the bullets, and the targets they would shoot. When they started saying how they could load shot after shot without swabbing, while I sat out there on my range, sweating my self to death, swabbing a rifle, I honestly doubted them. I really thought they were selling a dead horse.

Then I got my first White.. the Ultra Mag Model 97 .504. Sportsmans Warehouse had them on sale and everyone was getting one. I figured I was due to be burned. So I took the leap. I purchased one and some No Excuse Conicals. The day it came, I sat on my bench and put 3/4 of that box down range, with amazing accuracy, and never swabbed the barrel. It was then I fell in love with the White Rifle system.

Since then I purchased a Model 97 .451 "squirrel rifle" with the 22 inch barrel. Again, it shot like a dream. So when the Bison came along, I could not control myself and purchased that as well.

You have to shoot a White to appreciate them. If they had a way for the buying public to simple shoot some of the rifles they consider.. White would be big time sellers.

First time poster and first time White owner.
I am having trouble locating bullets (and load info) for my new to me White G series .504 Whitetail. I have been to Whites site and looked over the recommendations but it seems these bullets are no longer available.
What have you found to be an subsitute?

You will get alot of info later. prbullets sales alot of good bullets for it.

Go to No-Excuse bullets but actually the best source is Bull Shop bullets - but there is a problem... Dan not longer has internet service at his home in Alaska...

See this post:

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/blac...rice-list.html

For the G series go to No Excuses out of Roy Utah. Order the .503 diameter 460 or 495 grain bullets he makes. Load about 80 grains of Triple Seven 2f and start shooting. The smiles are optional. I also shoot Pyrodex P out of the rifles. And when I shoot black powder I like the 3f grade of it. Swiss 3f is another great powder out of these rifles. And although 70 grains does not sound like a lot.. don't worry. That is a great deer load.

I use the 460 no excuse conicals and they shoot great.

Welcome to the site and congrats on getting the White. The No Excuses should shoot great.

Another bullet that shoots really good out of my white is a TC maxi 370gr. When I couldnt get Whites super slugs anymore I started trying some different bullets. Mine wouldnt shoot buffalo bullets or the 350gr TC maxi bullets, but it sure liked the 370gr. I have shot several deer with them and had no problems at all.

I have a white rifle, a super 91 collectors edition, they must be rare as I have never heard anyone else admit to having one. I came across it quite by accident and can honestly say that it is my favorite rifle, all time. I would love to have another white but they are nearly impossible to find in Canada. With 85 grains of 2f black it will shoot,very accurately, just about any bullet that I push down the barrel. It is a nice rifle to look at and shoot. When I compare it to other muzzleloaders I am amazed that they ever went out of business.

Does it say collector's edition on the barrel? Do you have a picture of that rifle you could share?
Thanks

Ihave a 451 super 91 that says collectors edition and has doc whites signature . I could dig it out and post you a pic.

Yes it says collectors edition on the barrel. I will attempt to get a pic. It may not show up well as the barrel has a teflon (Black Ice) coating on it.

I wonder what is different about them, just doc's signature? Are they bedded and lapped by doc?
Thanks, Art

Mine is a bob bowers so it was accurized by him. I doubt that he would have done that if Doc had already accurized it, so I tend to think it is just his signature but I don't know for sure. The ones that I do have that doc accurized have his initials on them. I do know that anything he worked on he always put his initials somewhere on there.

I have two Lightings, Whitetail, Thunder, and Tominator. I'll let my kids sell them when I die as I love them all and use them often.

Cast my own .504's and 451's.

Jerry

I would sell all 5 Whites one week before I died, then use the funds to chef-cater-me seven Last Suppers and seven Last Breakfasts. Eat like a King for an entire week.

Sorry kids......... you get whatever else I have left. But I will never hover over you-kids in Spirit-form, watching you argue over which one gets which White Rifle..... then probably watch all my Whites rust over a period of years of neglect.

No sireeee! Not going to get my Whites..... not over my dead body.
That's how I would handle it anyways. Very few kids today have best regards for hand-me-downs, tradition, respect and TLC, concerning anything they never purchased themselves.

My kids will be scared they will get a "ghost foot" in the butt if they didn't take care of my rifles and handguns :D I keep telling you guys, foot in the butt is absolutely THE best training method for kids! :happy0001:

If you brought them up right and showed them how to clean a gun its a non issue. My Whites are going to my sons and grandsons they are used and are hunted with every year, hopefully will after I'm gone as well.