You're so full of crap it comes right out of your ears.

Sabotloader,
I understand there are ways to keep it from hitting you or the scope. Your pictures show options very well. My point is, out of the box (new gun) metal parts are flying out of the breech area. I don't know any other word to use other then dangerous. Unsafe, scary, possible problem, all mean the same to me. Again, my opinion only.

Thanks for all those pictures and range reports. Pretty much validates my point.

Lol....okay.

I shoot .460 gr conicals with as much as 80 gr of powder from my Knight wolverine with the 209 primer and the red plastic jacket and have never had any issues ever! i also have never heard of any problems with primers, except with BH209 and heavy bullets and loads.with as many of these rifles that knight sold over the years, i think it's safe to say if they were indeed dangerous the design wouldn't have been around as long as it has.i have also learned that i can and do adjust my plunger,so it does not deform the primers when shooting.in fact the primers look almost as good as the ones fired in my triumph. just a lot more fouling due to the design.the same person who posted this thread advocates using 140 gr BH209 in his Knight rifle and then spews this garbage.. shame, shame,shame!! i second what flounder said about the poster!! Ray

Since this is my thread i will post this.

The way a few of you post on this forum is sad. It's obvious why there is so much violence and fighting and problems in the world today.:sad::sad:

I would agree that shooting bh209 out of a plunger style gun is not recommended. I have no interest in doing that.
Most of the shooters that I respect believe that you achieve the best accuracy in your gun by using a primer that gives you just enough flame to have consistent ignition. I tend to agree with them. That is why I prefer the caps over the shotgun primers.

It is pretty obvious to most anyone that frequents this forum that you are the one who is stirring the post whenever you come by Grouse. I have stayed out of it until you got me involved by trying to ridicule my choice of rifles.
I wonder if Knight Rifles is aware of your behaviour on this forum. If not they ought to be because you do them a real disservice.
Art

You should email them a link to this thread. You cant have people posting false information that's for sure.

100grns by volume, a red plastic jacket plug, and a 250grn bullet or lighter it will be fine. The red plastic jacket keeps the primer contained and heavier. I have never seen that combination fly out of the gun. And if you use a scope that protects you as well. I have been shooting the plunger guns open sights only.

In all the years of shooting plunger guns, the only time I got caught was shooting BlackHorn 209 out of my Black Diamond. And yes, the primer blew apart. I blame that on my choice of powder. I have shot a ton of primers through the Stag Horn Magnum and Black Diamond using regular powder, but perhaps Grouse is on to something.. I seldom shoot more then 100 grains of powder out of them.

Now I have had primers come apart. But they always seem to be in the plunger area of the rifle.

In my three Knight Wolverines, I shoot #11 caps and that combination works sweet. I did get a chunk of musket caps once off my Black Mountain Magnum that got me good. It kind of surprised me when it buried that flange off the top hat in my forehead. I forget the powder charge that day.