shot cards
 

The shot cards i bought have a flat side and a concaved side,which is the powder side? i tried wads in my old renegade once and saw no improvement in accuracy and both sides were flat lol?i bought these for use with hotter powders like 777 loose. Ray

Gees Ray, I have never seen something like that. I use the the flat .510x.125 shot cards in my side hammers - not necessarily for accuracy but to insulate the bottom of the lead Bull Shop from the heat of the T7 and + it keeps the lube from contaminating the powder on warmer days...

Where did you get them?

from track the wolf,they are the .510x1.25 shot cards. made by circle fly.and these are not exactly flat on both sides, they all have a concaved or slightly cupped side to them. i didn't buy them for acccuracy,but for use of hotter powders.i tried was years ago in the rene to see if accuracy would improve and the wads were totally flat. when i saw these i was a bit shocked lol.Ray

Mike maybe it's caused from the punch pressure when they make them. WAD-510-A. Ray

could be from the punch but i'd put the concave side down and see if its a cup to help it expand in the bore.

jon, the more i look at them the more i believe it's from caused from the punch. i was thinking the same thing..i have 1000 of them lol. if you need some to try with conicals and BH209, let me know..Ray

Correct that is the one that I buy also... so your pessure punch thought might be right on the money..

Just a sec...

Just looked at my new bag - I think i do have just a slight cup in them.

Those are excellent shot cards though anyway they have been for me.

I would probably load then up so that the flat base of the bullet would push down on the wad - probably makes absolutely no difference..

I get mine from Flintlock Inc. And they are felt. I really like them. I also sometimes make my own with a hollow hole punch and construction felt.

I'll try them both ways lol.. Thanks.. Ray

I would load the flatter side down against the powder with the cupped side facing up. They may load easier this way too.
But loading it both ways could be tried easily enough.

I know this is a stupid question of you Dave,... but have you ever tried these cards. The way they are built they really a tough card board. You can start them in the bore with your thumb push it down with the ram rod a couple of inches then start the conical it will pick up the wad and the wad is tight enough to wipe the lands and grooves for you on the way down. Doc White use to make a bullet that cleaned on the way down also. But they card board works well 'almost' zero chance of it turning sideways or anything that might screw up loading.

I'll let you all know what i think of them this weekend. i have some 777 loose i want to try in the Wolverine.i have been using pyrodex and it is a good powder, it's just so darn dirty and i am swabbing between shots with it anyway. so why not use 777.i am waiting patiently to see the reviews on the new Black MZ, as this may be just the ticket for my conical shooting in the wolverine and possibly the Triumph also.a happy medium so to speak! Ray

My biggest worry about Black MZ - is that it is BM3 revisited which means it is a surgar powder with the rest of the APPs. All though if it has a decent shelf life without clumping - it could be a very good powder.

But yet as Scott said, I think it was Scott, Alliant may have put some fresh ideas into it.

I know you do not want to hear this but that group of shooters in PA that tested it, was not impressed as they were not with the new Super Duper powder either.

Im hoping they added a coating to make it less hygroscopic and its possible that coating makes it lighter too. Since recoil is partially calculated by powder WEIGHT not volume it would be a small advantage.

For all we know though, they just bought the "rights" and made their own. Weighing a volume charge should give us an idea of what happened. Im looking forward to testing
it in the 45s.

BTW i prefer either Circle Fly Nitro cards or dry felt. If i want lube i will add it. I would prefer to only add it to the conical side anyway sometimes. Veggie wads aren't too bad either and they are cheap.

I have read both good and bad on BM3. one report stated first batch was horrible and the second batch trumped 777, then it vanished from the market.i am not aware of any review from PA either?.of course i am skeptical about any new powder. but i can tell you i just can't see Alliant ruining there good name with a crap powder like APP/Shockey super duper or some of the others.. we shall see and only time will tell.Ray

GM, if i remember correctly i think i read they indeed added a coating to it.and for the life of me i can't find any reviews from anyone or group from PA on the internet and i have been researching it. Ray

Thats why i mentioned it...but i might be imagining things. :p

You are correct too. Alliant powders are usually excellent.