This is kinda disturbing...
 

From a MM Forum member...


I know New Mexico reversed their decision I would hope Nevada does also...

I am with you, let's hope they back track on there decision.! Ray

I would bet IMR and buttflappers are behind the lobby effort to ban BH209 during that season. It wouldn't be the first time and even Pedersoli has been invloved to make it "primitive" only. Just offer a totally primitive season or zone and the problem is solved. Leave inline powder choices alone!!!

While this I am sure this is upsetting to many, we need to remember... States make their laws according to what they feel best for the State, the wildlife, and the economy. Even if they are totally wrong as is most cases. Our governmental agencies that deal with wildlife management and laws affecting how things are run, are often administrated by pencil pushers and highly educated individuals who understand very little about key components of hunting in general. Some political action group tells them BlackHorn209 is an illegal or an unfair powder and so they react. Many times, completely ignoring the facts of the actual allegations.

Hunters all over need to write the game management administrations of these states, and explain to they why they feel the banishment of BlackHorn 209 is wrong. If they so feel that way. Also what this banishment will do in their decision to hunt in their state.

When fish and game regulators see or begin to feel their pocket book threatened, they normally tend to look into matters a little more closely and then base their decisions on hard facts instead of suspected allegations.

BH 209 is a cleaner burning powder,but its still a ML with a single shot,right?
Maybe you gain some fps,but I don't see a landslide advantage!
Do they restrict compound bows vs traditional due to more fps & more efficient?

Zach

Sight in with Goex FFF or Pyrodex R-S, what's the problem???

Very well written and unfortunately very true...get your pen and paper out..... doesn't matter how strongly we disagree on this forum unless it reaches the right person in your states department of natural resources or what ever department that handles the game laws in your state.

I use BH209 and like it. But this would not phase me in the least. I would load up and shoot some of the real deal, black powder. I use Goex FF in my traditional guns and my guns always go bang. How about going traditional this year and have a load of fun SL?

But for inlines if you must, I would consider Pyrodex RS to be a very superior sub powder.

Now remember this is all my personal opinion.

There are times like these that I"m glad I live in MT. No muzzleloader season therefor I can shoot whatever powder, bullet, gun etc. Yes it would be nice to have a season but there is no way that MT will ever do that. They got rid of all the late hunts and there not about to start another nor go against the bow hunters.

wow, are the bow hunters that organized and really that powerful in Montana? Ray

Why not put the Goex in your inline?

Guys I remember when MZ seasons started becoming popular. And were springing up all over the country.

MZ started in most states as a "Primitive Weapons" season. Not a single shot season. Not a season for rifles that only load from the bore. But actualy a "Primitive Weapon" Some places have stayed with the "Primitive Season". For example the PA FL season. But even PA has evolved a bit and allowed inlines in their early season.

What happened was the manufacturers were consistently putting pressure on lawmakers to allow more and more advances in MZ's. And those advances made the MZ more and more effective to longer and longer distances.

I remember the fight over scopes on MZ's in many states. Let alone powders that are not Black Powder. Which is the propellant used in "Primitive Weapons".

I dare any one of you to compare your new Knight rifle to a "Primitive Weapon". You guys know better than that. You know the new modern MZ's are not even comparable to "Primitive Weapons".

Personally I have both weapons. And use both where and when legal. But I have no problem with a state that wants to go with the "true nature" of MZ season. And that "true nature" is NO DOUBT "Primitive Weapons". Not a Modern Breakdown MZ with a 4.5X14 Leupold with a CDS dial and a powder that is not even basesd in black powder. Come on!! Tom.

Lets face it, the only reason a great deal of us shoot BH209 is mainly due to being able to shoot without having to swab the bore clean between shots. I am not a person who gives 2 cents about FPS, i shoot what is accurate and comfortable on the shoulder. Being able to reload on shots 2 and maybe 3 are highly important to being able to dispatch that animal quickly. Less stuff to carry into the field is another big plus.

They are in New york.When an early MZ season was proposed in the southern Zone,the bow hunters went bezerk.They did not want to share a week with BP hunters(as they do in Pa) When the storm subsided,the state lengthened the Dec.MZ season to 9 days from 7. By the way,that late season is also open to bow hunters,and they got the same extension.

Charlie

Hate to admit it but yes. They are soo damn spolied and get everything first. Bear, Deer, Elk. You name it and they get first dibs. There's even been a couple deer that my family has killed and started cutting up to find a piece of the broadhead in them. I just don't like them very much. Most bowhunters that I have met are stuck up and hate rifle hunters. They get soo mad at me when I'm bear hunting in the fall. Because when I can start hunting bear is when they start elk.

We don't have that problem here in Virginia. Oct 1 starts archery season and it runs for five weeks. Then the next two weeks is MZ season, then the rest is gun season till the first week of Jan. An archer can hunt with his bow all season if he wants.

I personally don't give a schmidt about who is in the woods hunting, with whatever. But in some states these archers can get really anal about their sport.

You want to get me started, just put some dogs in the woods during big game season. Dog hunters on the most part are not very nice around here. I have yet to meet one that has any integrity!

Other then that ain't this heat a biotcha???

I am not sure that using a second or third shot can be considered quick.I had to shoot one twice one time,bothered me a lot at the time,I guess it still does.


Charlie

Lucky for us in Colorado, it's illegal to use dogs in big game season. Colorado has some good laws.

I cant stand dog hunting big game unless its for coons at night and that isnt really hunting IMO. Pointers for birds, retrievers and others like beagles for flushing rabbits dont bother me.

Hunting for rabbits with a beagle was the first kind of hunting I did with my dad. I was 8 years old, and I loved it. I can still hear that dog when I think about it. Good times when you're 8 years old.

Hunting rabbits with beagles is a ton of fun, agree with that...But it's nothing like they hunt deer in Southeast VA and Northeast NC...

I grew up in Northeast NC, those guys throw a dozen black and tans in a cutover and run whatever come out for as long as it takes...They don't care who's land the dogs go on and will drive throught gates, ditches, crops whatever if they think they won't get caught...When the deer crosses a road, they have it lined and will shoot whatever pops out...Then they throw a fresh pack of hounds on the deer's trail and keep going...What's worse, they can spotlight at night and see what is coming out in the fields...Even if they don't have permission to hunt that land, they will put the dogs out on the road to run the deer through that farm and to a farm they can get on...

That isn't any way to deer hunt...And they sealing their own doom...

Rabbit hunting with a good dog is tons of fun and really sharpens your skills.

I do have strong reservations about deer hunting with dogs. Its illegal here. It just doesn't feel right FOR ME. I went on a lion hunt and they used dogs. Not a REAL lion but a cougar or Mountain lion. Whichever you want to call it. Sit in camp until you hear they have one in a tree then shoot it out of the tree.

It just seems like a terrible way to kill such a majestic animal. Ive seen them do the same to black bear and its not for me.

I've been on deer/dog hunts in my younger days and have to admit it's pretty exciting. But that was in the days when we hunted several thousand acres of free and open paper company land with no other hunters around. Everyone would pile into the back or one or two pick-ups and be dropped off at strategic standing spots and the dogs would be turned loose a quarter mile away at a predetermined time. Your blood can get pumping pretty good when a dozen hounds in full bawl are pushing toward the line of hunters.

But things aren't like that around here any more. All of the timber company land is now leased to clubs, and in much smaller plots. There are lots of roads through and between them. Naturally, the dogs don't know the boundaries of their clubs lease. The hunters are no longer satisfied with taking a stand and turning the dogs loose. It's more like a commando operation with everyone flying about in trucks with walke-talkes trying to get ahead of the drive. It's caused a lot of animosity between the few remaining dog hunting groups and other hunters. Fortunately, there are no dog hunting clubs within twenty-five miles of my club's lease.

I love to hear a beagle bay.....I have just sat on the tailgate on many days, just listening to the dogs run..... I too was eight when i went out the first time with my dad and grandpa..... it's funny how a sound or smell can bring back memories, like that.....

Well, you already know how I feel about big game hunting.

http://www.muleymadness.com/forum/vi...a9ad2f02a05ec4 it gets worse! this is what i was told when i called in late 2009. i was makink sure i knew the rules prior to applying for a tag in early 2010.. Ray

In laymans terms a BH Chemical Analysis

I have that in my book marks also :s4: Ray

Glad in Michigan it has been and probably will always be muzzle loader season.
side lock, flint or percussion. match locks, under hammers over hammers, and inlines of all types are legal.
the law yet as I know of has not ben challanged on the smoke less powder front. Rules state black poweder and or subs. To my way of thinking smoke less was the first sub for black powder.

:D Al

Back to the OP, I am curious how NV came to this decision. The Nevada Administrative Code (NAC 503.142) states that "Only black powder or a black powder substitute such as Pyrodex or Triple 7 may be used as a propellant."

It says nothing about having to be carbon based (I thought PP and T7 were sugar based?). My guess is that similarly to New Mexico, someone made a decision without really understanding the requirements. At the very least, I would hope that the makers of BH209 would actively challenge this decision.