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builder459 08-04-2011 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by Grouse45 (Post 3830349)
We will be testing a fast twist 45 before fall (At least i hope). 1/20 or 1/22 will be the goal. We hope to have it shooting both sabotless and saboted bullets.

Grouse why the 1:20 again? that twist shoots big heavy lead excellent, but is so limited when it comes to saboted bullets.the 1:30 or even a 1:28 has a lot better selection of saboted bullets and the 1:30 shoots pure lead conicals in the 325-380 gr range lights out.i could see a 1:20 or 1:22 in limited runs. i just can't see a huge demand for them. Knight shot them selves in the foot once already with the 1:20 .45.cal.just curious and not trying to be negative.. Ray

mountaineer magic 08-04-2011 04:21 PM

If they do come out with a 45 in a 1:20 twist I'll take one for sure. One of the best twists for paper patch conicals.it would make a good companion for my 1:18 twist percussion.I think you could get it to shoot sabots also,if Dave manufactures one that is ballistically good for it. The failure of the 1:20 wasn't because of the twist but the lack of offering bullets to compliment that twist

flounder33 08-04-2011 04:41 PM

I agree Chet. When Knight had the fast twist before they were too far ahead of the bullets that were availiable. These new brass bullets will be longer than lead bullets and should shoot great out of a 1 in 20 twist. And if the shooter wants to shoot conicals paper patched or not that would work good too.

bronko22000 08-04-2011 04:57 PM

I agree with powders. I personally would like to see a cleaner burning powder that can be reliably used in a flintlock ignition. There are so many substitutes out there but none that are reliable in the flinter.

HEAD0001 08-04-2011 05:16 PM

If Knight brings out a 45 caliber with a 1in20 twist I have one question. Can I please send my Knight LRH(50 caliber) back to Knight and have it re-barreled with one of those 45 caliber barrels?? Please?? Pretty Please?? Pretty please with sugar on top??...............................

In a 45 caliber do you have any idea what the bore will be?? .450?? Or what?? Tom.

Grouse45 08-04-2011 05:25 PM

Everybody has opinions on this. My opinion is the sabots back then were not good enough. I think both MMP and Harvester can handle the twist. But again, that's why it takes lots of testing. I was told today a barrel is on the way. It could be a 1/24 50cal also.

Semisane 08-04-2011 05:46 PM

The problem a gun company has with fast twist barrels is that only 5% of the muzzle loading population (like the guys here) have an understanding of how to make them shoot well. The average Joe is going to buy pre-packaged sets of bullets & sabots or Powerbelts and stick 150 grains of powder down their bore. When they get poor results they will be saying to everyone they know "that company's guns don't shoot well".

50calty 08-04-2011 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by Semisane (Post 3830418)
The problem a gun company has with fast twist barrels is that only 5% of the muzzle loading population (like the guys here) have an understanding of how to make them shoot well. The average Joe is going to buy pre-packaged sets of bullets & sabots or Powerbelts and stick 150 grains of powder down their bore. When they get poor results they will be saying to everyone they know "that company's guns don't shoot well".

Your right about that. I just don't see any company going with the different twist. Even the different cals execpt for Knight either. The way the market is they all want a safe bet. Right know that is a .50 with a 1:24 twist. The powder maybe something that will happen. I know talking with Western Powders they were thinking about a powder for sidelocks like BH209 they just didn't have the money or the time to work on it. But he didn't say it was impossible.

builder459 08-04-2011 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by flounder33 (Post 3830379)
I agree Chet. When Knight had the fast twist before they were too far ahead of the bullets that were availiable. These new brass bullets will be longer than lead bullets and should shoot great out of a 1 in 20 twist. And if the shooter wants to shoot conicals paper patched or not that would work good too.

Art , i think that's what i said lol. i also agree they shoot real big lead conicals real well also.Knight are great conical shooters, which i have found out since owning one:) Ray

builder459 08-04-2011 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by Semisane (Post 3830418)
The problem a gun company has with fast twist barrels is that only 5% of the muzzle loading population (like the guys here) have an understanding of how to make them shoot well. The average Joe is going to buy pre-packaged sets of bullets & sabots or Powerbelts and stick 150 grains of powder down their bore. When they get poor results they will be saying to everyone they know "that company's guns don't shoot well".

X2 semi, which is why i said earlier i can maybe see knight making limited amounts of them not mass produce them.. a .45 cal 1:20 will shoot a .460 or .488 gr conical with excellent accuracy lol..Ray


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