Toby did a bunch of tests on the modern powders. I can't seem to find it, but Black Mag3 was part of it. It held it's own with T7 and BH.

I seem to remember Toby was pretty impressed with BM3 with the only negative being it was hard to find.

Mulie that review i posted on this was pretty darn clear. the first batch he received was garbage. later he received another batch and clearly stated it trumped 777.it was equal or greater as far as 777 velocities and needed no swabbing after every shot.the Quality control on it during that time was obviously not good just like it's still not good where Shockeys/APP is concerned. let's hope Alliant learned there lessons from the previous owners mistakes and refined it to do what they indeed say it will.Alliant has a good reputation in the powder world.again let's just sit back and see. we all may be pleasingly surprised.. Ray

I hope they get it right from the beginning. First impressions are ever lasting.

(COUGH) :eek2:

Tickle in your throat?

Actually in the 52cal with a Powerstem plug the Blackmag TB tested gave the highest fps with a 375gr bullet and less powder than T7. BH209 still beat it with a normal plug. One of the Randys on Hawks site had a similar result. The first bottle was garbage and the next was fine with FPS as good as T7. A while later Wakeman ranted and raved about it because the Savage shooting team did well with it at Friendship.

Oops that reminds me, i have a powerstem type vent i can try too. :D

Kinda got to sort through the BS and see if it works for you and the application.

Remember i did not shoot it over a Chrono. These guy's were spot on with the other super powder they tested. The velocities were pretty consistent but lower then BH209 with 250grn bullets. If someone else shoots it thru a chrono and has better results then BH209 or equal i will buy some or get some from Sportsman supply. Till then i have no reason to buy any right now. No ignition problems at all with 410 primers and 777 primers in the long Endeavor plug.

I dont want to completely replace BH209 since in some applications it is really hard to beat. I found some more testing Parker did with Bh209 sabotless and got very good results with just 110gr. I like shooting smokeless for top sabot fps but im wary of it in sabotless. Pressures can get really high under those conditions but BH209 is fine from the few traces ive seen.

I betting if its good though and better than T7, Western will rethink the 10oz dealo at the least.

I have an open mind about it. I don't shoot my inline much because of the cost.

I wouldn't mind using a powder that will work in my inline and sidelocks. There's noting cheap about BH and Swiss that I use now.

Buying Black MZ in bulk, and using it in both guns appeals to me.

Its going to be really hard for me to get away from BH209. Honestly I don't know what it would take if anything at all to get away from the powder.