Just to let you guys know I fully support the Mountain Mike's Products. http://www.masterofskulls.com/ Have now done the Record Keeper and the Skull Master. The Record Keeper is for you to keep the skull plate and the Skull Master is for sheds or if somehow the skull plate is broke. Neither one I did was for me. One was for my uncle and the other my brother. But both turned out perfect. Just have to take your time on the Record Keeper. So if your looking for a mount system I would look no further. I know that I should have taken before and after pics, but I forgot. The Record Keeper is the most expensive but its only $45. Sure beats a real euro mount price these days.