Can one shot be a group?
 

It was today... A couple of months ago I found a NIB Disc Elite .50 that i just haven't had time to get to the range with untill today. I shot two shots at fifty to get the scope close then went to 100. I fired one shot that was three inches high and three inches to the left,,, made the scope adjustment and squeezed off a perfect shot, which is the target you see. At that point I thought, you know I could waste 200 more grains of BH and two more 300 grain Noslers for a pretty three shot group, but I think I'll just save those for one of my hog stands. Don't get me wrong, I love to shoot and I love pretty groups, but sometimes I feel like I'm tring to reinvent the wheel when my gun is shooting good and I keep on tinkering... I say just go kill something... anyway that's your words of wisdom for today! :sheep:

I think I would keep shooting to verify that the POI is gonna be the same time after time rather than just figure that is the case. You may be surprised to see the next shot or two gives you a bigger group than you expected. I wouldn't base accuracy on one shot but 3 or 5 shot groups. especially if you are planning on using the gun for hunting.

Well I say that is a real nice group. But its not perfect - sorry. Its at least 1/2" high and about 7/16" left. Pretty sloppy for 100 yds with a ML. I don't know if you want to risk shooting at a hog with that rifle. Why don't you send it on over to me and let me tinker with it a bit and try to get it shooting a little better?

That is a beautiful rifle you have there. No doubt about it. Is one shot a group? No even by definition. "An assemblage of persons or objects gathered or located together." Note it does not refer to a person or object but rather these items in a plural sense, meaning more then one.

I have to agree with chetmarks. I would have shot at least two more, simply to check the validity of the scope, and the load as well. Not to mention the shooters skill. Yesterday while shooting my White I shot two separate bulls eyes with one shot each. While I did this to test the rifle and my self, I could not consider them groups.

Those disc rifles are simply good shooters. I am sure that your one shot could and probably did turn into multiple shots forming a wonderful group. Besides if you don't shoot more them one, how on earth are you going to get a flier to cuss and moan about?

Sounds good Bronk... shoot me a PM with your address... :biggrin:

Chet, I would be willing to give you that sweaty South Carolina heat Knight ball cap if the next two shots didn't produce a 1 1/2" or less three shot 100 yard group,,, or a dead pig, which ever I get to first. As you can see by the importance of the bet, this ain't my first trip to the range with a Knight rifle.. cheers!:guiness:

Only 1 shot leaves a lot more doubt then 3 or more.

flint head,

I would have no problem doing what you just did and hunting anything with in 150yds. I no exactly what you are saying. Though i dont do that, i could be very comfortable if i had to.

And I'm really joking more than anything guys. But think about it... I just got done cleaning my rifle and lets say at my next range session the first shot out the gun cuts the bull again... do I still need to shoot a five shot group or is the gun ready?

ok,ok just so ya'll won't worry I'll take my Vision after the little piggies... that's three shots at 100 yards...:devil:

Here's the problem with just taking one shot.

How do you know the gun isn't further off than you think, and you jerked the shot to target?

You won't know with one shot.

Before hunting I personally would shoot it more but I am not doubting that it is right on. Somebody has a gun just like that one in the classifieds.

If it's a rifle I've used through the years and I know what powder and what bullet/sabot combo it liked then, yes...

If I didn't know how well it grouped that particular bullet/sabot combo then, no, I would confirm with a couple (or in my case 4-5) more shots...

Well scopes have never been perfected and not verifying that it is locked in the POI and not still moving is going to get you in trouble with the POI sooner or later. My opinion after using scopes for 80 years.

NC is right... thats the only fly in the ointment, the gun is new. However, It's a Knight Disc Elite that I have looked over with an extreme case of OCD and it's perfect. The shot was also squeezed off perfectly as stated above and the scope adjustment was spot on... that in it's self tells you that your gun is shooting pretty darn close to MOA. You all bring up good points and this was, as I said, a little tongue-in-cheek to begin with,,, but I will get back to the range soon to prove or disprove my theroy that an eperienced muzzleloadist with good equipment and components can do just what i did today and be just fine on, as Tom said, 150 yards and in hunting shots. I say yes!

What bullet and powder, and how many grains were you using in that Vision?

That is definitely a group if your a hog or a deer.:hail:

pluckit,

That was 100 grains of BH, 300 grain Barnes Expander MZ in a HPH 24, and a CCI 209m primer.

Also the load for the Elite today was 100 grains of BH, 300 grain .451 Nosler Partition PP in a Harvester Short Black, and a CCI 209m.

What breech plug did you use? Was it the flat faced one?

Yep... model # 900046 on Knight's web site. If you keep it relatively carbon free it works great with BH.

I have no doubt your confidence in the gun & load is well founded Flint Head.

But I couldn't do that. Not that I doubt the gun at all. It's just that shots are like potato chips. I can't take just one.

I'm with ya Semi...

Obviously one shot can not be called a group.

But at the same time all I care about is one shot. And that would be the first shot from a cold clean bore.

I would clean the rifle completely, and then shoot one more shot. And then repeat those steps again.

And my goal is to get all those clean cold bore shots in the ame spot. Then you have got it where it needs to be.

Group shooting no!! Cutting the X!! Yes. Tom.

Yep! That's what I do too.

Although i'm finding with BH 209 it not as important.