Knight LRH info please
 

Hello all, I am new to muzzleloading and have been researching knight muzzleloaders and came across this site and there seems to be some very knowledgeable people here on knight guns. So I have a few questions for you. I am looking at a nib Knight LRH - 27" Forest Green 50 CAL with SS for about 550.00 a very beautiful gun. I think the price is right on this closeout. The problem is 209 primers are not legal here in WA. I called Knight today to see if it could be converted to a musket cap primer and they said yes though they didn’t seem real confident and didn’t tell me how much it would cost me. Here in WA all Knight owners use the Bighorn or the wolverine and the MK85. So I am wondering if I buy this gun and convert it to musket cap am I just ending up with an overpriced Bighorn? Is it worth the effort? I picked up a closeout bighorn 50 cal SS for 320.00 but I need two guns, one for my son.

I thought states with the #11/Musket cap requirement also required a open breach too. Even if you could convert a LRH, the cap would be enclosed. I thought Original DISCs had an insert for the Orange FPJ to use a cap. Mine mentioned it in the manual and had something in the parts bag but i never looked at it. I know where to get one NIB for $199 in 50cal blue.

Ive never seen a red DISC cap conversion but i guess it could be done. Finding a MK85 in good shape is probably a better way to go and much easier to carry than a LRH.

I think you should take a look at the North West Explorer
http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/northwest_explorer.php

the North West Explorer is 1 in 48 twist a major flaw? And yes WA requires open breach but Knight has what they call the "western kit" for the disc extreme and that is what I tried to get as conformation on the LRH

Interesting, ive never seen the Western Kit. I will have to check it out.

Washatonian

Once there was a kit that you could install in a Orange plastic jacket so that it could shoot caps. The Orange plistic jacket was used in the older 'Original DISC' series. I am not sure that the kit or jackets are even available at this time.

Well I wil be darned!

http://www.knightrifles.com/western-conversion-kit/

I wonder if it is still available - might have to get one myself...

Says in stock for $55, Looks like you use some of your existing bolt parts.

It should fit a LRH too. Ive used an Elite and Extreme bolt in mine so i don't see why not.

IMO i think you're just better off buying an older model thats set up for #11 and a muzzle loader that has a history of being able to shoot conicals.

Mine, well the 50's I have shoot .503/460 grain conicals just fine... but he is not limited to conicals he can shoot most anything he wants in Washington.

Washatonian

Where are you at in Washington? I am across the border from WSU.

Really should say that is a real decent buy on an LRH also. The have a guaranteed accuracy statement.

The only thing I think is a neagative about them is that the stock is really bulky and the gun is a little heavy to pack around, as compared to the Extreme of Elite.

If you want to spend top dollar on a cap and conical shooter. I know a guy selling a beautiful White 504 rifle with a nice scope for that much. Nice gray laminate bedded Boyds stock too.

My Extreme 50 shot the 410 and 460 Great Plains pretty good but not like a White usually will with the bigger conicals.

I am in Yakima, not too far from you. I have hunted Idaho the last 3 years. What do you think of the Bighorn? The same store has a MK85 SS for about 400 dollars but I am asuming that it is about the same gun as the bighorn. A lot of guys over here really love the CVA Elkhorn, they say it is a real tack driver.

heres a real low cost muzzy but it'd need the #11 breech plug and a nipple.
http://frontiermuzzleloadin.powergui...terbolt-magnum

Thats a bit much for a MK unless it is a rarer version. As far as comparing them. I had a LK93 and it was nice for a entry level gun but the MK has a far better trigger and is made better. The Bighorn should fall in the middle of them. Fit and Finish on the MK is great too. I got a steal on both of mine.

I think there is a nice 50cal thumbhole SS MK (Knight hawk) on one of the auction sites but i think he wants $300 NIB. let me look for it.

Nope, its gone.

Isnt that considered a closed breach. It has a firing pin correct and its not a plunger? It appears the bolt would cover the cap.

no its not a closed breech You can clearly see the primer from the side due to the cut out. Its not fully enclosed.

better angle pic. This was my X-150. You can see the firing pin sticking out.

Well, i'll be darned... my daughter lives in Kennewick - I am over your way all time, in fact the grandaughters play in the Yakima AAU basketball league and we end up driving up there quite a bit. We need to get a meet going and I can share some information with you. Do you know where Benton City is? There is a sopt just outside of Benton City that we can et some shooting in if you want to.

The Big Horn is really a very good Pac Northwest gun. The barreled action is basically the same barreld action that you would get on any of the top line Knights. In my opinion the MK is the best of the open breech Knight guns, but not worth $400 on todays market, that is what they were when they were new.

Unless you are in immediate need of the gun do not buy anything yet... unless you might want to go with that LRH, that is still not a bad buy. Beating the weight or the stock is an easy matter and it is a super gun. Switching the bolt out is also a piece of cake. I believe we can get you into a great Knight for $250-$300.

Basically there is not a CVA made that would serve you as well as a Knight or a White. If you go to the older CVA's they have load restrictions on them and the barrel is made from a extrusion process. The newer CVA's have cleaned up their act act quite a bit.

Check your PM messages... I am headed to Kennewick this week - early release days over there so I am in charge of the grand kids in the afternoons...

Talk to you later....

my CVA will do everything your knight or white can do.

Sure! what else would you say?

And you are suppose to show everybody that in Batesland, South Dakota... when that happens then you can make that statement and be correct.... right now I think you are wrong in many ways

Hey Washtonian if you can meet up with Sabotloader you would be ahead to do so. That man is a wealth of information. Plus he knows his knights. If it were me, I would look at getting that LRH for that price and holding on to it, then I would get me an MK85. Nothing against the CVA's, I just think the Knights are in a league of there own! I may be a little biased!!! Good luck with your decision and have fun with whatever muzzy you latch onto!

Not to hijack this thread but I have a blued mk-85 I might consider selling if this gentleman is interested. Fiber optic front sight and peep sight on the rear. Nice bore, a little pitting in the reciever area from the previous owner. The bluing on the barrel is excellent.
Art

Thats a RIOT!!!:popcorn:

Let me know when they win at Friendship or approve of bullets over 300gr in sabot, over 400gr conicals and over 110gr of loose powder. :p

Both White and Knight approve of these loads and have many wins under their belts.

I mainly shoot 250 - 300gr thors but to keep you guys from packing up early and leaving, i'll go ahead and just use powerbelts so some knight shooter has somewhat of a chance ;)

Washatonian

This is a picture of a Williams FPS - peep sight. For hunting it is an excellent apparatus. 1/4 min clicks at 100.



It is shown with a regular peep but you can get a twilight peep that has a brass ring in it to help in the wee hours.

This is a White model 97 U-Mag... one of the best conical/sabot shooters you would ever handle.



This is a MK-85 a kin to the Big Horn that you are getting...



This is a Knight DISC Extreme and just for you it is a 52 cal...



This the Knight DISC Extreme MHC (Master Hunter Cryogenic)



With the Western Kit installed you would really have a great gun. But I think I have an idea to make the Western Kit a bit better. I will show you when we meet...

mike

Same peep i use and its great. I cant shoot worth a darn with buckhorns at just 65 yards but i can keep within 2.5" all day with a Williams FoolProof on a rest.

It just doesn't click, it also has set screws to keep it from moving after site in. Numrich has the ones for round top Knight plunger guns for $40 roughly in either blued or silver. They are old Knight stock IIRC and Williams has different apertures if you want one. They are about half of MSRP with shipping.

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/...140&catid=3013


http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/...130&catid=3013


WARNING THEY DONT FIT DISCs, its wrong. I tried and the blister pack doesn't list the DISC either.

BTW that reminds me...that place that had some Extremes in 52cal for $239??? They have a LRH too i think but i don't remember how much. I think it was in the $550 range for the LRH non TH. They have some MK85 Predators 54cal NIB but they are pricey at $400.

I have a long range hunter 50 cal they are one good shooting gun and a longer barrel to helps you get out there I shot 100 gr 290 gr barnes tmz harvester yellow boat tell sabot and shot 3/4 in groups are under at 100 yards all day

This is the one that got me hooked on Knights and it hurts on both ends. It is the best $425 i ever spent on any rifle.

GMB54-120 Brush Gun in a Extreme TH stock


In the purdy stock. Not mine but its the same.


Then SOMEONE didnt try to talk me out of an Elite 45 and even had me go get him the last one. :p

Elite 45, so accurate its almost boring. Thats one of a limited sub 100 made EK knife i picked up the same weekend.


And my E-LITE LRH 52cal. Its in a bedded composite TH now with a new Redfiled on top.


And how could i pass up a NIB and still unfired Original 45cal SS fluted for only $249 and add a few of my spare parts to fancy it up a bit.


Well you get the idea...im addicted and my support group is terrible and my "resposibilibuddy" is not very effective. :D

Those are some great looking muzzleloaders, kicking myself for not jumping on the DISC Extreme .52 I was looking at.



BTW that reminds me...that place that had some Extremes in 52cal for $239??? They have a LRH too i think but i don't remember how much. I think it was in the $550 range for the LRH non TH. They have some MK85 Predators 54cal NIB but they are pricey at $400.[/QUOTE]


Can you pm me a link to those?

Gm54-120

You have to admit... that 45 you got and thenthe one that you got me were very good buys for a very good accurate rifle.

If you want to check something out... go look @ Gunbroker, Auction Arm, Guns American and see how mant Knight DISC's you can find for sale now days... A few - very few!

I did not show you the way I just suggested that it was a very good buy - you did the rest....

And I really need to thank you for getting the all-in-one-hole Knight 45 you found for me.... THANKS - again!

mike

That White model 97 U-Mag is sure a sweet looking gun, you guys have some great guns.

You would never believe how it shoots... both conicals and sabots. It has a 1/24 twist. You will get your chance to handle Thursday evening...

That is one of the reasons I got a Knight 52... the 1/26 twist bit me right away...

We did get a steal on those. I about died when she ran it through and it was even cheaper than the tag. Mine has turned out to be insanely accurate with enough loads to make me happy. Its easy to carry and just plain fun to shoot a good 45.

When i got my WinApex 50cal years ago, they had the Knight 45s for just a tad more and ive been kicking myself in the arse ever since. IIRC they were actually 45cal SS SuperDiSCs or Elites, im not sure so i wasn't passing these up.

I really need to take out the Original this weekend and see how it does against the Elite. Im curious how the heavier barrel is going to compare with top end loads. Ive got the trigger set almost as nice as the Elite's. I got the 52cal basically for the same reason (twist) and im rather bored with most 50cals. I wanted something new to play with and a project type gun. Only 2 sabot choices is no worse than only having 2 for the smokeless 45s and they work fine.

Fella's, the western conversion kit for the bolt guns, i.e. Disc Extreme and LRH does expose the breech by utilizing a modified bolt handle and breech plug to adapt to musket or #11. It's a very simple change over. You disassemble your current bolt and install your firing pin assembly into the new bolt, install the new plug and nipple and your ready to fire legally. The nice thing about it is now you have two set ups for the rifle if you choose to travel to other parts of the country and would like to use the 209 system.

That is really a good idea. I wasn't aware of it until this thread. It sure makes the disc rifles more versatile. I still like my mk's the best though.
Art

I got a chance to check out some of Sabotloaders Knights, SWEET thanks Mike. The white was a little big and bulky for me but the DISC Extreme was just right! I have got to have one of those. I also love the camo stock and the laminated stock that Knight shows on their web sight. I can't do the black composite now not after seeing these other stocks. I pulled the plug on the Bighorn I had purchased but not picked up yet, got to have the disc extreme.

The Knights shoot as good as they look and feel also! I do know a guy that has a .45 extreme blued/synthetic that he would part with. Just shoot me a pm if you are interested and I will see what he will let it go for.

Washatonian

Then you would love an Elite. They handle even better than an Extreme but stock options are more limited unless you mod an Extreme stock to fit.

Gm54-120

Problem Scott, no scopes in Washington, Idaho, or Oregon... needs to go Extreme for the open sights...

So are you going to wait until May and get one of the new Extremes?
With someone like Sabotloader around you'll catch the ML sickness in half the time. Congratulations.

Aint that the truth. :p

I was quite happy with my Accura 45 and GMB54 until i tried an Elite 45. DO NOT ask him to talk you out of buying one. It wont work once you get the "fever"!!!! Even my Savage doesn't get my blood flowing like my Knights for some reason. Its a great gun but is heavy and no more accurate in stock form. Only the McGowen 45 1-22 twist SML barrel im waiting for might help but then it will be even heavier.

I know you liked the Extreme with a Western Kit but the old MK85 is still a better handling gun IMO and the trigger is top notch even compared to my best centerfires. It conforms to all the regs and it will drop in other Knight stocks.