Thumbs up for my TC Pro Hunter
 

Since the Encores got drug through the mud a little by a few the other day I thought I would put in a positive plug for mine. My TC Pro Hunter by far is the best rifle I have ever owned and yes even better than my Remington 700 and I am a die hard Remington fan. I shot my Pro Hunter 50 cal ML today using several different bullet/sabot/loads combo's and to be totally honest it just shot whatever I poked down it's throat good. My go to and hunting load is below. It is a 250gr Barnes TMZ - a Harvester yellow crushed ribbed sabot - 110gr of Blackhorn 209 - Win 209 primer. This 3 shot group was shot at 100 yds in a pretty brisk wind. There is no doubt this load and gun has a .5 moa in it if I do my part and in less wind.

im right there with ya. Id never heard a bad thing about prohunters until recently on here, general opinion i always had of them was they were a better than average gun and the ability to trade out barrels was gravy. So far mines been awesome....the ml barrel is very accurate with pretty much every sabot ive tried. Got a 7mm08 for rifle season and a 22lr for small game. All barrels accurate, everything works like it should with no glitches, couldnt be happier

That is some excellent shooting... without question.

Come on dude, have you been through millitary sniper training or something? It's one thing for a rifle to be able to shoot that well, it's another thing for a person to be able to. And 50 rounds? that's a lot for a .22 cal. long rifle let alone a .50 cal. muzzle loader.

Well your going to have to be patient with my ignorence but I am not sure what your questioning? My ability to shoot 50 rounds or shooting a ML 50 times???? I am assuming you did not read my post to state that the target posted was all 50 rounds. The target is a 3 shot group at 100yds.

SJA not to worry, maybe pluckit is too used to shooting out of those rusty barrels @ 10 yards. :happy0157:

I am not quite sure what you are indicating here... but shooting 50 shots in range session really is not that uncommon, especially when you are doing some field testing...

Here is just one target that I shot doing some field testing awhile back with one of my Knights...



By my count this is 21 shots just a 50 yards. After that I moved the target to 100 and continued testing. I would bet I easily shot another 20 rounds.

Getting tight groups @ 100 yards with a good ML is not much of a problem these days either. His is a 94 yard target shot with the Knight.



One of the reasons I quit shooting centerfire guns is that I can go out with a jug of powder, bullets, sabots and shoot as much as I want to. It doesn't make a lot of sense for me to go out and shoot 10-12 rounds and call it good. I really want to make the trip worth while so I shoot - the more I shoot the more fun it is.

Another thing I really enjoy doing after testing is shootin breakable targets... so for relaxation after shooting paper ot after finishing a testing round, I will put clay pigeons out various ranges and pick them off... so what I guess I am saying when I go shoot - I make it worth while and enjoyable...

Fifty shots? Childs play. Last week end I burned a pound of GOEX FFFg and a quarter pound of FFg. Smelled like a Civil War veteran when I got home.

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I will put it this way. When i unload from the car to the range table, it takes at least 3-4 trips. Now i just pull upto the table and open the trunk or drop the tail gate. ;)

After 50-60 shots and no lunch break i am fairly fatigued but that's also kinda what im trying to do. If i can shoot a sub MOA at the end of a long day, ive had a great day.

Sounds like me. That group was the next to the last group I shot.

What ever. I posted my targets to show results from trying to salvage an abused rifle. 10 yards was just to see if it would even hit paper, since I had never shot the gun before. And I showed the true over all results. I didn't just cherry pick 1 target with 3 shots on it out of 50 and make it look like I am some kind of sharp shooter.

Very nice shooting. I love my PH.....overpriced oh yeah...But you only live once. What scope do you have on it? How's the lock up and trigger pull? I upgraded with the Bellm kit when i first bought mine(oversized hinge pin and trigger work)

Nice shooting. I realize every target probably doesn't look quite that good but if that's your hunting load, that's the one that matters.

Sabot - I am not understanding your logic here. What would be preventing you from taking more than 10-12 centerfire rounds?

Oh! I could take a lot more rounds of centerfire ammo and I could shoot it twice as fast as I could shoot the ML - so there is no problem in shooting the shots.... but how do I manipulate the loads on site. Changing the bullets, sabots, even the powder amounts. Then when I do shoot 50-60 rounds of CF I have to bring the brass back and go through all the steps to reload them.

To me it is just more fun to be able to shoot what I want to experiment with than to be locked into whatever I load.

As I read back through this I guess I really can not explain the why! but it just seems to me that I feel a greater challenge and enjoyment being in control and have variables that I can play with on site... I guess that is why I also do not bother to weight charges - I really do prefer throwing them on site...

Gotcha. I think "on-site" is the key to what you're saying. Because, from a reloading perspective, you could absolutely come to the range with a dozen or more recipes (say...5-10 rounds each...different combos of powders, primers, bullets or bullet weights, varied OALs, etc) and take your time shooting them (need to let the barrel cool anyway). The downside is, if one of those recipes is "the one," when you're out, you're out! Then you have to decide if you wanna go ahead and shoot the rest of your loads or take 'em home and pull 'em.

Yep! you basically have the thought I was trying to get to... it makes sense to me and I am the one pulling the trigger so it works... well some of the times it works...

I just enjoy shooting and the more I shoot and the less expensive I can get it done Hoo Ra! for me...

Totally agreed on that front. I have greatly enjoyed shooting my MLer so far, but I don't get to shoot that often. I am working on getting set up to shoot on some private land (a farm about an hour away). Shooting on public (or even private, multi-member) ranges is waaaaay too time-consuming, especially on the weekends. There's always the idiot that doesn't have a way to verify his POIs on the 100-yard range that wants the range to go cold every 3 shots.

On this farm, I have found a hillside to shoot into that will act as a berm, but the terrain is not flat, so it will be difficult to get a bench set up. I will be able to shoot 100 yards easily, but I want to shoot out to 300 yards, and because of the hills, having line of sight to that distance will be difficult. I also need a rangefinder because of the hills and don't want to shell out for one!

Anyway, I am just now getting into reloading and expect that I will enjoy that as well, but it definitely is more of a PITA than experimenting with a MLer. Man, I just want to get out there and SHOOT!!

I had typed a lengthy rebuttal to your negative posts but then I decide I had more class than that so I have just decided to ignore your useless clatter.;)

SJAdventures

I honestly do not know what prompted pluckit's post. I just assumed I read it wrong and had to come back a couple of times and read it again before I finally decided to put up reply. I guess that is why they call these forums an 'open forum'.

At least you had a target to show... most times now days I do not even shoot paper targets... I just lay out a bunch of clay pigeons at various ranges elevations and angles and shoot them. They are more rewarding than a piece of paper. Then often I go to shooting the broken pieces of birds working on the really difficult shots. I guess this makes me think I am improving my abilities...

mike

Well really once you have developed a really good load for a particular gun you can only shoot so many good groups with it on paper before your bored to tears. Shooting clay birds has always been fun for me and keeps me shooting longer that day.

Don't take it personal pluckit. IMO when folks share their shooting outings, it's not to brag, but because they/we enjoy BP shooting and this is the place to communicate with like minded individuals.
Best Regards

Exactly....

If I'm trying to illustrate the effect of changing some variable in a load I generally post a sequence of targets, some pretty good, some not so good. But it's natural to want to post those targets that really make you smile and I'll often post the best target(s) from a shoot.

However, if anyone want's to start a thread with the worst targets ever shot, I'M IN! Your bad results can't hold a candle to my bad results. :biggrin:

I thought you were !:woot: Ray

Naw Ray, I didn't serve. Neither side would have me because of my webbed feet and inability to march in a straight line. I had to resort to hiding in the trees and shouting "Choot`em Junior".

That could be a good thread. I got a bunch of them types you'd rather not show.:nonono2: If a person doesn't have a lot of bad groups then that person is not doing much load testing.

I don't know Semi, i bet i could give you a run for your money.

Some days i can't shoot for crap!! :)

I feel I should appologize for my earlier post in regards to SJ's posting of a very nice group. I see MD's postings of amazing groups all the time and have never commented negatively on them and had no reason to do so about SJ's group. So it will not happen again and I'm sorry.

Heck,i can post pics of the broad side of a barn with no bullet holes.but i do have moments when i can actually hit something.

No problem. We all have days. Thanks.

Choot? that a southern word lol...