KNIGHT LK 93 USERS --- please read
 

Hey everyone, i have owned a Knight LK 93, stainless barrel, with camo thumbhole stock for about 12 years now. I converted it over to a 209 primer gun maybe 9 years ago. It is in excellent shape (except for the stock, more on that later) with the barrel and everything else still very clean.

I know every gun shoots different than the next with different loads, but i was wondering what you LK owners have found to be the best load as far as accuracy goes?

I have tried at least 5 different bullet/powder combos and don't really think my gun is as accurate as it can be. I found mine shoots best with 100gr Triple Seven and a 250gr Barnes Red Hot Bullet. I think Knight packaged them for awile but i haven't seen them lately. This gives me a 2 1/2" group at 50 yards. Shouldn't it be better then that? 100 yard shot falls about 6" below that and their groups are at least 6 to 8" in size. If i remember right, long ago i tried a 150 yard shot on paper that looked like it dropped at least 18". Does that sound normal?

I always shoot from a rest at the range and also have a very good scope on it too. The barrel is clean as a whistle and i try to swab the bore every 2 to 3 rounds when practicing. Somehow i think it could shoot better. I have 4 different kinds of loads waiting to be tried when it warms up. 245gr Powerbelts, 250gr Knight Ultimate Slam, 240gr Hornaday XTP's, and 300gr Hornaday SST's. Can't wait to get out and throw some lead soon. I'm hoping to find some kind of load that shoots better then i have been so far.

What loads seem to work best in your LK 93's? (speaking from experience hopefully)

Anybody know where i can find a camo thumbhole stock for my LK, cheap? I loved that stock. It got hung up in some brush coming down from my stand a few weeks ago and fell the last 5 feet onto the frozen ground. It didn't sound good when it hit the ground. It broke the stock in the weakest spot and didn't damage anything else as far as i know. I doubt i could repair it and still be strong.

Sorry about the broken stock <ouch>

You don't mention the primer you are using or how the rifle shot before the conversion. 777 primers are a little cooler and may help.

The first three things I look at when a rifle won't shoot are:

1. Loose or bad scope, and or rings.

2. Bad crown.

3 Poor stock bedding.

YMMV

Damn, that is a lot of damage for falling five feet. Keep an eye on fleabay sometimes Knight stocks show up
Try 100grs. 777 and 240 gr. deadcenter bullets. Always haveshot great in my Knights.

Call
Phone: (641) 856-2626 on the stock.If they can not help they will tell you where to look.On the accuracy problem, It sounds to me like you should take your most accurate load and try different thicknesses of sabot. Thats assuming you have checked for all the normal thing like loose mounting block screws or scope ring screws. That gun should do better than that with any load that fits properly.

I think you have very dirty barrel. Sounds like alot of plastic build up. I would boil water and clean the barrel really well. I hate to use water but i dont think you have a choice.

I cant help on the stock besides a plain black composite. Knight has them in stock but they are not listed on the website. They are plain but very well made.

As for the LK, my 54cal had a slightly larger bore than my DISC based 54cal.

I would take a guess at trying a tighter fitting sabot and your current bullets. Its the least expensive starting point. You could also try some of the cheaper Rem 300gr 458s in a Harvester Crushib for .452 bullets. That combo usually works well in larger bores.

BTW Knight still offers the 250gr RedHot, its the same bullet as a Barnes Expander MZ but it may use a different sabot.

These come with the EZ load 3P sabot so you may need to swap them or buy the Barnes branded version.
http://www.knightrifles.com/red-hot-bullets-M900590/

I own three of the LK series rifles. One is a LK-II and the other two are LK-93. One is stainless and one is blued. All of mine have the 22 inch barrels. And they have the #11 ignition.

What I would do is get rid of the pellets. And personally I like the #11 ignition. I would never change that. My rifles shoot best with 85 grains of loose powder. It likes the 250 grain Barnes Expanders, 250 grain XTP, and Shockwaves in 250 grain.

I would get a pound of Pyrodex RS and some 250 grain Shockwaves. Try shooting 85 grains of loose Pyrodex RS and some of them Shockwaves. See how well they do.



this is what my LK will do at 50 yards with the one power scope. I was testing some of the 300 grain Speer Deep Curl bullets.

Right now i'm using a CCI primer that doesn't seem to fit very far into the breech plug. It is brass in color. I was using a silver colored primer before (not sure of the brand) that fit all the way into the breech plug.

Sabots always fit pretty tight in this barrel. Takes a good amount of pressure just to get them down the barrel if it's not clean. Even so when it is clean.

I wouldn't think i have any plastic residue down in the barrel. I always clean with boiling soapy water, and most always use a bore brush. Looks as clean as a whistle, but then again i'm not sure if plastic is easy to see down in the bore.

I will try and work up a load with powder instead of pellets . I'll try 85 grains. I used to try loads < 100gr before i went to pellets. After that i just stuck to 100gr. I do have some Goex left over (Ffg), but it's about 12 years old, but still dry. And some Pyrodex powder (RS) that is about 9 years old. They may be too old to use.

Sounds like Grouse made the best suggestion then. Give it a good cleaning and maybe some loose powder.

How old are your pellets? Although I agree that loose powder is your best option, the pellets should give better accuracy than what you are getting. I would say get some fresh powder among the other things that are being suggested.

Iowabucks44

I do not have an LK but i recently aquired a SS MK and it seems to be a really good shooter.

Like someone else suggested, until a different 209 system is available I am pretty sure that i am going to stay with the #11 ignition system.

Because of the length of the barrel I have chosen to shoot T7-3f. It is a faster burning powder 2f and using the #11 cap it really burns cleaner.

This target is one of the first targets shot from the gun. I have changed the factory sights on the gun and installed a William's FPS peep sight.





This is the target that ishot one of those first days.



You can see that I was shooting 90 grains of T7-37 and a 50 cal Lehigh sabotless bullet. This bullet is not available yet you can see that it really shows promise from the MK.





This is the bullet...



Since this initial test - i have been back to the farm a couple of times with it. I have increased the powder from 90 grains to 110 grains and have shot a few different sabotted bullets from the gun also. Shooting clay pigeons out to 125 yards with either the sabotless or the saboted .458/275 Lehigh DOA is not much of a problem.

Now addressing your problem(s), sugestions on switching to loose powder has already been suggested and moving back to the percussion cap has also been suggested. Cleaning the bore of plastic residue has also been suggested. The only thing i would add to that discussion is rinse the bore as the final step with clean boiling water.

I think that you might be looking at three possible problems... One is the sabots that you might be using. It sounds like to might be using a HPH-12 or equivelent sabot, I would suggest you try some HPH-24 or regualr sabots and see if that does not help your loading efforts.

How reliable do you believe the scope and the mounts might be?

I think a possible problem with your accuracy issues might have been the fit of the barreled action to the stock specifically the way the barrel laid in the forearm. When you get your new stock those problems might disappear or they may need to be corrected with the new stock also.

Knight does offer a replacement stock for the MK-LK-Wolverine-Big Horn series. it is expensive, but remember to ask for for your 10% discount.

http://www.knightrifles.com/stock-assembly-M090107H/

This stock might work also but you would need to ask Knight for sure...

http://www.knightrifles.com/stock-assembly-M090107/

The pellets are about 3 years old. I have a box i just bought last summer that i am going to break into real soon.

I will give the barrel a good scrubbing for plastic. But right now, it looks like the cleanest barrel on earth.

Iowabucks44

Forgot to mention... if other things fail you can always make this switch...



I just took off a thumbhole stock from my Extreme and dropped the MK right in....

If the pellets are old... that could well be your problem. Knights are normally very good shooters. Its kind of hard to find one that does shoot bad.

A little JB weld and perhaps some duct tape should have you all fixed up and back in the woods.

LMAO- Please tell me you are kidding.

It broke where the material is the thinnest. Even if i tried to fix it somehow, i'm not sure that the shock from the gun going off wouldn't break it again.

If you like a black thumbhole this is still going on.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=212007584

I would ship the stock to Knight just to see what happens just for the heck of it. They may send you a replacement.

Are you using the same scope that was on the rifle when the stock broke ? If it is I'd try another scope. A 20 ga. brush works pretty good for removing plastic from the barrel.

I haven't tried it yet since it broke, but plan to keep it on and use it first, then possibly try another scope.

I would really be surprised if they did. I believe Knight's only have a one year warranty.

I have been lucky enough to get a replacement ramrod guide for my LK and a couple metal capper/decappers from their booth at the Iowa Deer Classic, all cheap parts, but they at least did that for me.

Now a $185 thumbhole stock.......thats a whole different story there. I doubt they would.



Most sabots go down the barrel pretty tough, even after being cleaned. With your palm on the end of the ramrod it's not very easy. That sound normal? I thought the Knight barrels were supposed to be a hair on the loose side.

Should i be looking at some different thicknesses of sabots for better accuracy?

Iowabucks44

I would suggest that it should take 35-40 lbs of pressure to push the sabot down. So it should start wtih thumb pressure then two hands on the rod pushing down.

Normally the tighter sabots shoot very accurately but if they load with difficulty it is not worth it.

I am still leaning to the scope and bases and/or the barrel getting caught in the stock in different places.

Powder and load
 

More not usually better. 50 cal 24, 28 in barrel 80- 90, 95 plenty.
use: bore dia radius sqd x 3.1416 x barrel length x 15.72.
This will give you best average effecient powder load. Tweak from there by 5% increments but not over 15% of average. Always worked for me along with proper projectile fit.

01-17-2011, 12:33 AM
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NEVER MIND SEE THREAD IS 8 YRS OLD, SHOULD OF LOOKED BEFORE POSTING :)


You can order a thumbhole Bighorn stock and it will fit the LK93 I just put one on my .36 LK93 a couple months ago, fit was perfect.

Lk-93 parts
 

MK, LK, Wolverine and Bighorn are all basically the same striker assembly. Pretty easy to find them anywhere. The complete 209 conversion kit can be found for $50ish at a few places. Just use the striker.
https://www.natchezss.com/knight-muz...rsion-kit.html
https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-...-kit/p/1508877