rafsob

If you haven't called them already, Knight has the older "better" NFJP plugs for the Vision in stock. I asked Gordy about them last week and he said they are much cleaner than the other NFPJ design and i think...they are also a little more BH209 friendly IIRC.

Call him if you need one, he knows which one to send if you ask for it.

When I bought this vision, it came with what I thought was a new type bp. I don't need the red plastic primer holder. You just insert the primer into the bp. If this is not the latest bp, then I will call. The BH209 folks told me my bp was a little longer then others and I should make sure I use the magnum primers.

Since doing so, I am in business and all works great. No more primers going off and not igniting the powder charge.

What do you think?

rafsob;

i also have a vision and have had 100% success with blackhorn and regular win.209 primers even in very cold temps.it has also been consitantly blow back free.does your plug have a flat face?what primers were used when you had problems.did you have much blowback.i've been reading all of these breechplug threads with great interest and i allways like to here whats been working or not working for folks.i don't know diddlyor squat(or maybe i do semi :D) about the science of muzzleloader breech plugs but if my guns are blowback free i have never had a problem igniting BH209 as long as the plug is fairly clean........karl

I sure hope they get this site working normal again. I am having a hell of a time posting.

Hey KP, at the time I was using Winchester 209 regular primers. The weather wasn't really that cold, but conditions were very wet! I had leveled my Vision on two different deer and when I pulled the trigger, the primer went off. The only problem was it didn't ignite the powder. After coming back to camp, I went over to our range and tried to shoot this setup again. I could not get the powder to ignite. At that time I put the gun away after cleaning it out. After coming home I went to my local gun club range and tried to get the gun to fire.

However, before I did that I talked to some folks at BH209 company and they told me the Win209 primers may have been to weak in the flash department. They told me to try Federal or the CCI magnum primers. I did and the gun worked from that point on. It has yet to malfunction since this time. The only thing other then the weak primer may have been the weather. Remember, I told you it was very damp.

As to clean, I am called Mr. clean when it comes to MLers. So I know that wasn't the problem.

As far as the bp goes, this Vision has the no red plastic primer holder bp. I place the primer directly into the bp. I get no blowback.

Im thinking it may have been just the Primer being too weak....one time I dropped a Primer in a puddle while sighting in and My Buddy said throw it away as I picked it out, but I tried it and it worked fine. So then I put a few in the puddle for a few minutes, got them out and they all worked.
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