Help buying a new muzzy
 

I need some opinions please. Im thinking of buy another inline and would like to know what you all think. The ones I'm looking at are as follows.

Traditions Buck Stalker.

CVA Optima.

CVA Wolf.

T/C impact.

Traditions Pursuit LT.

These are all lower priced inlines, some I'm sure are "cheap" some are "inexpensive", any help sorting this out would be great.

Buy what you like. Now's the tme to Buy, Shop around Im sure you'll find some good after the season deals.
(BP)

Out of the three you posted, the Optima felt the best to me. Im beginning to like the Impact but i dont care for the stock. The 2010 Wolf felt better than the Impact.

Handle them all and buy what you like. Traditions in general dont do anything for me considering the price. The NEW 2010 Optima is a better gun IMO than nearly any Traditions in a similar price range.

If you like Traditions, look at the Vortek line and wait for them to go on sale.

3rdGeneration still has some Omegas on sale too and they have a great deal ($300)on a stainless Omega 45.

As far as the ones you have listed both the CVA's have been reviewed numerous times on here. With most coming in very positive. If times on your side you may find a very good deal on a used gun or a new one on clearence at a local seller. Every company today make a fine muzzleloader just some people.. me included.. have a favorite brand.

If its the New Optima with QRBP - THAT is the one! www.rrarms.com has them for $225

What did you buy last year, BIG PAUL? Must not have been a White! Just remember, you did ask for OPINIONS again.

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/blac...-ml-money.html

I have the new Wolf, and like it a lot. I really like the way the Optima handles and shoulders as well, although I have not shot it. I have no experience with the TC Impact, other than that it is TC, so it should be of good quality.

Personally, I would stay away from anything from Traditions. A couple of my friends shoot Traditions, and they are accurate, but that is about it. The new line of CVA's are basically the same price as Traditions, but of much higher quality - better fit and finish, better design, etc.

IMO, your best bet is to go to a gun store and handle the Impact, Wolf and Optima, and see which one you like the best. Any one of those 3 would be a good choice.

Your right I did ask for opinions. The reason I'm asking about those certain guns is because of the price. I'm looking for a good, accurate, elk/deer gun. Ya know, something that when it gets beat up in the brush I won't have hard feelings about it. I have several other ball and cap muzzies and pistols, all of which, I or my father have put alot of work into. None of which I want beat up when climming around the mountains here in CO.

I am leaning to the CVA but I need to put it in my hands first. Our local Sportsmans doesn't have any of these guns, so I will need to go to Denver to buy one and just want all the info on hand before I go purchase one.

I just put up a post a little while ago about a ss/camo CVA Optima Elite combo at Cabela's for $400 marked down from $550. .50cal ML and either .270 or .30-06 CF barrel. I have the combo and my ML barrel will print 1"-2" at 100y. If you don't need the CF barrel then sell it and your ML is fairly inexpensive! Check it out on Cabela's website.

rw

Thats is certainly a good idea, although I would love to have another 270cal

I also have a wolf, and i love it. i did a review on the wolf and how simple and easy the thing is to work and use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMtSe7RUeE

IMO if you are going to spend $400, go up a grade and buy an Apex

Hunt12ga, have you shot the cener fire barrel? does it shoot well? That is a hell of a buy, I just checked it out on Cabela's web site. I'm thinking that one is a must look at.

Yes I've shot mine. Both barrels shoot well. The ML barrel is great. I haven't shot the .270 much (only a couple boxes) since I don't have room to play with it. I'm actually planning to get a .223 barrel for it. I had issues with the CF barrel forend lug slipping around, but I got the set screw tightened down and things are good now.

The $400 for the Apex only gets you one barrel. How much are the combos???

rw

Paul,
In my humble opinion:
Buy a CVA Accura V1 and be done! Its twice the gun at half the price!!! Make it stainless with a black stock and the only problems you will have will be with your refrigerator as you won't have enough space to put all that venison!!!!!

Drox...now that, is a porblem I could live with!!!!!

This is just another attempt to cause a ruckus just like his topic almost a year ago when he was going by the name BIG.PAUL.

Thanks alot for the info guy's. At least now I've got something to chew on.

The best guns are the Impact and the Optima. Be sure to shoulder your choices before making a final decision, the one that fits best is often the one that will shoot the best for YOU.

Thanks Lee. What do you think of the CVA combo? Seems like a good deal to me. If the gun shoulders well I might have to go with it. I like the idea of having a single shot to start my girls out with.

I was reading the spec. on the CVA combo, it said the ML barrel was 29' 1 IN 28 Twist. I wounder why the 29"...is it just something to make their gun different or what. Also I was wondering if anyone has shot conicals out of one and how did it do?

Muzzle Loaders- new to the forum
 

In early December I bought the bottom of the line Traditions inline muzzy, just to get a feel of whether I wanted to get into it or not. Idaho has a season that gives a person a better chance at an elk than you normally have during center fire (lots of pressure out there).

Anyway, I am looking for in the $200-$300 range for either a side lock percussion B.P. riffle kit or an inline that breaks open like a shot gun exposing the breach block and nipple. In Idaho #11 caps are required and the nipple has to be exposed when closed (they put a notch in the action above the nipple on these).

The Traditions one I bought has a 1 in 28 twist and a 26 inch barrel.I shoot a 355 grn. conical bullet with 85 grains of FFg. I am having a hard time grouping my shots at 100yds. They are in an area the size of a volleyball. Not good. :confused0024: I normally group in an area the size of a quarter with my scoped riffles. I have a dot scope on my Traditions because of my vision problems with iron sights. Anyway, I am leaning toward a slower 1 in 48 twist because of my bad grouping with the 1 in 28. Could the bullet be jumping lands?

Your input for this newbe to the forum and black powder weapons would be appreciated.

Have a great New Year.

change bullets.

Powerbelts are available in all lead, hornady great plains, bull shop, no excuses, tc maxi balls. Lots of stuff available.

Thanks MD 54. I will try grouping with my powerbells and see if that does it. Regular soft lead conicals I am casting might not work in that fast of a twist.

I watched the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMtSe7RUeE that a member put on Youtube and he said something that made sense. After my second shot with my in line I noticed that the bullet did not seat as far and it got worse as I continued to reload and shoot. The sixth round without cleaning was a misfire. He said that with the resistance and buildup in the chamber end of the barrel, the accuracy gets worse so when shooting paper he cleans his CV Wolf after every shot. Good advice. :happy0001:My first two shots were only two inches apart, but it was after that it started to wander and get harder to push the bullet down to the bottom.

I like the design of the CV Wolf and will be wandering over to Wally World to check one out. My Traditions is the pits to take down and clean and quite time consuming.

Thanks
:fighting0007:

megabucks

A couple of thoughts...

I am not sure that a Red Dot is legal in Idaho either.... So I am assuming that yu have done the paper work for the state.


I would really stay with the 1/28 twist. It provides you far more versitilty. The 1/48 twist is designed to be OK with conicals and round balls.

Groups - there can be several possibilties starting with the Red Dot... There is somewhat of a learning curve shooting a red dot. So next have you check to make sure the rings and bases are secure?

How much many conicals have you shot from the bore... Is it possible that you may have lead fouling to the point that allows the projectile to skip the lands and grooves?

Were it me and I new everything was tight and the bore was cleared, I would really just shoot a 25 yard target and see what type of 5 shot group you might get at that point. If you are getting a ragged hole for a group move to 50...

You might consider another projectile also, for our season up here I shoot a .503/460 grain Bull Shop lead conical. They are extremly accurate for me and definitely an elk slayer. I, like you, am shooting a 1/28 twist rifle.

One last question if you were shooting at 25 yards could you shoot using the open sights that are on the rifle? That would be another check of the red dot?

And the last possibility is there may be a problem in the rifle itself. I am trying to guess which Traditions that you might be using as most of their inlines are 209 ignition... Is it a Deer Hunter? and looking at that maybe you are not even using a red dot?

Lots of questions from N. Idaho...